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[edit] Snobsdale/Snotsdale

I saw this "article" and had to laugh. A little about me: I moved here in 2000. Since then, I've become very successful, a NY Times bestseller, and now that I've accomplished all that ... it's time to leave Scottsdale.

Quite honestly, I've found that rich people in Arizona DO NOT live in Scottsdale. They live in Arcadia, Paradise Valley, or the wealthiest zip code in all of AZ, 85302, which is in - gasp! - Glendale!

Scottsdale, unfortunately, is home to the fakes with 3 mortgages and 20 maxed-out credit cards. The wealthy simply do not live here. It's the phonies who live on credit and want you to *believe* they're successful who live here. Let me tell you, since achieving success myself, I've gotten to know lots and lots of millionaires, and nearly all of them are low-key and would never be caught dead living in a place like Scottsdale. And that's why I'm packing my bags and moving.

In addition, I was disturbed that the article cited many people & places that aren't even in Scottsdale but instead are in the beautiful City of Phoenix. For example, the Wrigley Mansion is in Phoenix - and not even close to the Scottsdale border. Paul Harvey is a resident of Phoenix, NOT Scottsdale, and again is miles from the border, too far to even consider him as being near Scottsdale.

In all, this article is clearly a sham posted by yet another "$30,000 millionaire" as they're known locally. Sorry Scottsdale, but you're not even in the top 100 wealthiest towns in America. Heck, Paradise Valley, which is 10x more expensive than Scottsdale, ranked as #117, so you have a long, long way to go. The truth is that Scottsdale is not expensive. It is very, very affordable compared to where I grew up in the Northeast, and to where I'm moving to in CA. Want to know the #1 reason why people move to Scottsdale? Because it's cheap compared to any big city in the U.S. Look up the surveys for yourself.


Why is there NO reference to how this town is generally full of:

selfish little brats wasting their mommy and daddy's money,
stuck up rich people, namely women in their 40's-50's with a false sense of self accomplishment and arrogance, while their plastic surgeon and CEO husbands cheat on them with 19 year old girls,

etc.? Scottsdale has a huge reputation for this and you're probably not an Arizonan if you have never heard these two nicknames!

Scottsdale is a great city. Who cares if their residents have money? Who cares if some of the people are brats. You see brats everywhere. You can't take a city of 200,000 and label it "snobbsdale" because of the 500 16-18 year old girls who drive a luxury car and buy designer clothes. You suck it up and stop bitching.

I agree! I don't understand why *cough* morons *cough* keep deleting the "Snobbsdale" references. They're not POV! It's like going into the New York City article and deleting all references to "The Big Apple". Snobsdale is DEFINITELY a common nickname for it and if you don't like the sound of it, tough tits. --bī-RŌ 21:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and don't forget that all the women in the town are rich, white (though tanned to leather), bottle blond, and have giant fake boobs. It's basically the Arizona version of Beverly Hills. --bī-RŌ 21:12, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Alas, on Tuesday, an article was featured in the Chicago Tribune providing substantiated, hard proof of the 'Snottsdale' name; A new sin city: `Snottsdale'. From my hometown newspaper, no doubt. I rest my case, your honor. ;-) Dr. Cash 00:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Anyone who lives in Scottsdale knows that we are lucky...to have grown up in a city like this usually means at least one of our parents has worked their ass off to get us there. Therefore, to sit there and pigeonhole every person in Scottsdale as being a snob is highly defensive. I've lived in Scottsdale for nine years and recently left for college and I have never heard ANYONE say "Shea Corridor" I hear the "Snobsdale" jokes usually only said by teenagers or low class, jealous idiots. I've never heard that as the "Nickname" haha...Scottsdale is also a very artsy town and to pigeonhole it into being similar to Newport Beach or something really irritates someone who has actually lived there. This doesn't even sound like a professional encyclopedia article. It sounds like a lame editorial or something. I think a lot of parts of this article need to be edited. It enrages me to see an article about my hometown written the way it is. This is ridiculous.

BOO HOO. Cry me a river. Scottsdale's nickname is Snottsdale, like it or not, and people should quit whitewashing the article to remove all references to it. Anyone who's been around the Phoenix area long enough has heard the name, and now it's even been in print. --bī-RŌ 00:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

--Born in AZ and having lived in Scottsdale (for 20+ years split between both North and South Scottsdale, though mostly in what would be classified as Old Town on here), Mesa, Tempe, Phoenix and Glendale I only ever heard the term "Shea Corridor" on Wikipedia, and the term "snottsdale/snobsdale" in the last year, from my Chicago transplanted in-law that lives in Glendale. In any case the term is somewhat unfair and misleading as it would really only apply to portions of the population residing in North Scottsdale. I have attended Little League games between North & South Scottsdale teams in South Scottsdale and heard comments from North Scottsdale parents regarding being disgusted at having to travel into the "white trash slums" of South Scottsdale. While North Scottsdale is generally wealthier than South Scottsdale (or at least more flamboyant about their wealth), the people of South Scottsdale (I consider Shea to be the general divider of North/South) as a whole are no snobbier than anywhere else in the border area of Tempe/Phoenix/Mesa.128.206.56.241 15:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Please, I don't mean to be rude with any of this. I moved from Washington state last year to Tucson. A month or two ago, getting to know our new state, we visited Scottsdale; as we've done around the rest of the state. My God! Walking through that mall was like a Laguna Beach episode, and every discussion I overheard, just as vapid. It renewed my visceral disdain for everything associated with this phony, so-called "culture." I felt like I'd dropped a few I.Q. points just breathing the same air as these people. But there are other parts of town, and the antiquarian book shops are wonderful (though conspicuously empty--I suppose I was spoiled myself, living near Portland; which is virtually one big bookstore itself). I've been to wealthy places before, but this was just obscene. Like, time to start class warfare obscene. I don't doubt some people work very hard to become rich. I just find it a character defect that many are a slave to it - Bill Gates and Paul Allen were always low-key. In any case, while not wanting to generalize the whole town (and I'd rather spend time with the "white trash"), you've got to mention the epithets. Even I've heard them (maybe it's a transplant thing?). This is an encyclopædia. That means at least mentioning facts. Whether or not you agree that the epithet/s are justified; they do exist. It's no accident that Hollywood celebrities, and politicians (not mentioning any names) head straight to Scottsdale. I can understand being defensive though. I'm defensive of my home town, which was often disparaged as well (though for completely different reasons). Khirad 09:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Some users in this discussion do not really know what they are talking about and overly jealous of Scottsdale residents

I was born in Scottsdale, and lived there until my 20s. Having lived in other parts of Arizona and the United States, I would say this nickname certainly applies. I have heard the label my whole life, from natives, transplants, and visitors. I agree that Scottsdalians do have a sense of superiority and entitlement, and pass off any criticism as jealousy. I do find the description of South Scottsdale in the article most untrue. The protrayal as a "white trash slum" full of strip clubs, check cashing joints and so on to be totally inaccurate, and only shows the bias of the North/ South division. In truth, Scottdale did not exisit beyond Shea until relatively recently: my family moved to the area in the 1950s and 1960s, when Shea was a two lane dirt road, and any decent monsoon flooded the Indian Bend Wash and cut off Scottsdale from the rest of Pheonix. I would be interested in seeing information on the history and development on the city as much as the glamour of the self- important. For being such a "great city," nothing in the world would tempt me to move back to Scottsdale. It is so true the charactarization of those who move to Scottsdale now: newly rich and flaunting it, with little class. 68.107.137.1 00:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I've lived in Scottsdale, Tempe, or Paradise Valley, excepting a few overseas stints, for more than twenty years. We can like it or not like it, but Scottsdale is widely derided as "Snottsdale" by the working-class residents of less affluent suburbs (Tempe/Mesa/Chandler or, especially, the West Side). While it would be inappropriate for WP to pass judgement on the tastes or intellectual capacities of the town's residents, it is encyclopedic to mention that the town has rather a negative reputation within the metropolitan area. To delete mention of this is not being NPOV, it's suppressing mention of a widespread local perception. ("Snobsdale" is a new one to me, though; maybe that's what the kids say today...)
It is also important, BTW, to mention the tremendous socioeconomic differences between the (increasingly Hispanic and working-class) south and the (essentially 100% white and very bourgeois) north, and that long-time residents of the south are often very touchy about being lumped in with the newly-arrived and newly-rich northerners.
Oh, and FWIW, North Scottsdale is anything north of Via Linda, whatever all you newcomers say. If you don't remember when they they sold firearms at Smitty's (that's Fry's supermarkets nowadays), or when the Pavillions were riding stables, you're not qualified to comment on the subject. *grin* Tkinias 22:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Something Else

Good work in moving the contents from Scottsdale, Ortolan88. I wasn't confident enough in my knowledge of the USA to do it myself! I'll put the bit you removed here on the Talk page, just in case anyone wants to debate it, although I will say straight away that I personally have no interest in seeing it put back. -- Oliver PEREIRA 02:16 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)

"Nicknamed Snotsdale by many, this area hosts a variety of businesses, such as Soccer Express, Neiman Marcus, Starbucks Coffee amd the John Casablancas Modeling and Acting School."

Yes, this is just a wee touch too sarcastic to be encyclopedic... Tkinias 02:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removing Pima name from first line.

I moved the Pima name down from being listed alongside the name Scottsdale, to be consistent with the Tucson article. A full discussion of that situation was held at Talk:Tucson, Arizona. kmccoy (talk) 00:29, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This is inconsistent with policy. You will have to hold an individual vote for each case, and even then it isn't technically alright to let a local poll override preexisting policy.
There is no policy on this matter other than the RFC that was held on Talk:Tucson, Arizona, and in which a number of interested parties joined. Perhaps you should call an RFC on making Tucson a special case, and keeping the first line names in these other cities. As it stands, the non-English names for these cities get more space and more explanation if they are included as I've done, rather than without explanation at the top of the article. I don't understand why you oppose including MORE information rather than less. Why can't we find a happy place, node? Why do you bring this issue up again after MONTHS of letting it rest? kmccoy (talk) 03:58, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I don't get it - you're the one who let my version stay but reverted it recently, and you're accusing ME of bringing it up again after months of letting it rest? Preexisting policy (naming conventions, style guide) is to do it the way I've done it. The RfC at Talk:Tucson, Arizona was a vote on which of two versions, which differed in more than one way, was better than the other. There was no sort of clause that people voted on that said "There is a certain principle here that should be held to all pages". If you want to make thing confusing and discriminatory, there needs to be another RfC which expressly states that it is NOT local and applies to ALL places on ALL continents, voting on whether to use your thing or mine. --Node 08:11, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Oh, you sillies! Get a life! I am removing the Piman name because we have not displayed the Maricopan, nor have we displayed the name in Apache, Navajo, or any of the "Pai" languages, which are spoken in the area and are indigenous.

The southern border of Scottsdale Old Town / South Scottsdale extends a mile south of McDowell Rd. all the way to Mckellips Rd. east of Scottsdale Rd. On the west side the border with Tempe is a half mile south to Roosevelt.

The Heard Museum is not located in Scottsdale, It is in downtown Phoenix on Central Av.

There is a branch of the Heard Museum, the Heard Museum North, in Scottsdale. See http://www.heard.org/visit-heardnorth.php. Tonio Kroger 18:51, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Who wrote this page?

My understanding is that Scottsdale's only nickname is "The West's Most Western Town," I've seen it on signs all over town. (See also: http://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/historiczoning/arts.asp "The Chamber [of Commerce] proclaimed Scottsdale as the "West's Most Western Town" in 1947 ...")

My understanding is that the nickname "Beverly Hills of the Desert" was initiated in an article in the New York Times.

In the areas of town section... my understanding is that most people refer to that area as Shea - Near Shea, just past Shea, take a left at Shea, etc.

I'm curious if anyone who lives in Scottsdale has ever heard anyone say "Central Scottsdale"? Old Town and South Scottsdale are not the same thing. Old Town is pretty much ONLY the shopping area near Scottsdale Rd, south of Indian School Rd.

South Scottsdale can refer to anything south of Shea - depending upon who is talking and how long they've lived here or what mood they're in. As any resident knows, that's the big joke - where "South Scottsdale" begins.

Anyhow, if you're a contributor - I'm sorry for my previously harsh comments on this page and appreciate your work creating this article.

[edit] Shea Corridor change

I was one of the original contributors to expansion of the Scottsdale page however long ago that was, much ado was made of the "Central Scottsdale" label (which was not mine actually, but I made edits under it), Shea Corridor is a far better descriptive name that fits with actual usage. And I think the most recent comment is right, where "South Scottsdale" begins is indeed a big joke, but geographically, the "center" of Scottsdale is just south of Frank Lloyd Wright Blvd, which most would concede is "North Scottsdale." Bottom line - this article will change and morph just as the city's landscape does, as it is intended. And for the record, I've lived here for 23 years.

[edit] Great travel brochure

Not so great wikipedia article. Seriously, if I had a dime for every time the Scottsdale was mentioned as the, "top x for something," or for how many celebrities are named as potentially living in Scottsdale, I could probably afford to live there! Most of these "top x" lists need references at best, and we should probably look at pruning some of them from the article a bit. I already inserted a few references in places, but that's just a start. Dr. Cash 06:01, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I deleted some superfluous and not back up information to make it sound less travel brochurey. This article still needs a lot of work as most of it is boasting Scottsdale's greatness, though that is fine as Scottsdale makes most of its money from tourism and that is really what Scottsdale centers around, its relaxation. Sarasote 16:09 20 June 2006

[edit] Best Places in US to Live

The above listed article on CNNMoney lists Scottsdale as the number 7 best place to live in the U.S. This article appears to be a bit more than your typical editorial, as they also provide a good overview of statistics on the city and other information. It probably can be used as a reference to help improve this article, too. Dr. Cash 21:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Phil Mickelson

He doesn't live here! Let's stop kidding ourselves! - Unsigned comment from 205.244.41.26

Don't know who you are, since you left a quote only using your IP address and didn't put your name there. But I checked on Phil's official website, which lists his birthplace and residence as San Diego, California, but also lists him graduating from Arizona State University in nearby Tempe, Arizona in 1992, and lists an "Attachment" to Grayhawk Golf Club in Scottsdale. Not sure what the attachment means, but it's also interesting to note that his management company, Gaylord Sports Management, is based in Scottsdale. So he appears to have a connection to the city, but if we're looking at residence specifically, then no, he doesn't live in Scottsdale. Dr. Cash 02:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Phil Mickelson's primary residence was in Scottsdale for many years. Today, he owns a home here and splits his time between here and San Diego, but now I think hes moved to a different community and not San Diego proper. He is, unless he left, also an associate instructor at Grayhawk and likes to practice here. Perhaps it should be lisited under second-homes, but he spends more time here than just an average second-home user Sarasote 18:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
He doesn't split time between Scottsdale and San Diego. He spends the majority of his time in California and no longer owns a home in Scottsdale.

[edit] Xeriscaping

Stupid idea. Should be noted that Scottsdale implements this sort of landscaping but doesn't realize its negative effects to the urban heat island, only the immediate positive effects of using less water. Looks ugly too!

I contend that it is not ugly, except that I do not recommend falling on top of cacti.

Hopiakuta 01:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "West's Most Western Town"

This has not been accurate since prohibition of new horse corral construction.

wiktionary : corral

< http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?corralled >;

< http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?corral >.

Hopiakuta 01:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

It's virtually all urban | suburban construction. Vacant desert shrunk. Fewer horses,...

hopiakuta 05:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This

article needs more of:

Scottsdale Community College is on the Pima Reservation, Salt_River_Pima-Maricopa_Indian_Community;

the school mascot[s] are pink, gold & green [& white] artichokes;

Pima;

Akimel_O'odham;

< http://www.saltriver.pima-maricopa.nsn.us >;

Cave_Creek,_Arizona;

Carefree,_Arizona;

Tohono_O'odham;

Papago;

Hopi;

Hopituh Sinom;

Fountain_Hills [ Fountain_Hill ];

Paradise_Valley,_Arizona [ township ];

Paradise_Valley District, northeast Phoenix,_Arizona;

Maricopa;

Piipaash.

Thank You.

hopiakuta 20:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I would dispute this edit, as most film stars would be either: adult, child, or, if neither, likely, dead:

< http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scottsdale%2C_Arizona&diff=78016841&oldid=77935090 >.

Thank You.

hopiakuta 19:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Phoenix_Mountains

Salt_River_Mountains

South_Mountains_(Arizona)

South_Mountain_Park

Chandler,_Arizona

Guadalupe,_Arizona

hopiakuta ; [[ <nowiki> </nowiki> { [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] } ;]] 03:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Avondale,_Arizona

Tolleson,_Arizona

hopiakuta ; [[ <nowiki> </nowiki> { [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] } ;]] 03:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Most of the above list are other cities in the Phoenix area, and not Scottsdale. Information about those other cities should be in their own city articles, not this one. The general neighborhood of Scottsdale is relevant, though, so linking to these other city articles would be fine. Dr. Cash 05:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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