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[edit] Basque Country

I have reverted your changes to the Basque Country.

  • Firstly, these changes should be by move pages, not by copy and paste, as it loses the edit history and talk associated with these articles. It took quite some effort to reverse these issues last time.
  • Secondly these have been discussed on the talk pages to some extent, and such a further major change requires further discussion and consensus, not unilateral action.
  • Thirdly in English (and in French and I would contend in Spanish too), 'Basque Country' (or its translations) do not equate to just the autonomous community in common usage.

This is what I have tried to reflect at the disambiguation page. I appreciate that to have the seven provinces at Basque Country might be seen to reflect POV, so it has been left at the new article name you created; but the same would be true of your changes. Mtiedemann 11:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] País Vasco

Quizás si no habla ingles se debería dedicar al Wikipedia en castellano. Un cambio tan grande como este precisa discutirlo primero, y ademas seguir las maneras correctas de hacerlo. Será mas difícil sin poder escribir en ingles. Copiar la información sin usar 'move page' separa la discusión y la historia del texto. 'Basque Country' en ingles (y en francés) no tiene el mismo sentido que en castellano (y eso solo en España, diría yo). Algo parecido es Macedonia. He tratado de hacer algo balanceado y útil, no de poner algo político o personal.

Obviamente prefiero seguir esta charla en ingles, para mí y para que los demás entienden. Mtiedemann 11:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Gracias por tus comentos - conozco bastante bien las normas de ortografía pero quería mandar unas lineas, no escribir una tesis. Poner los acentos me cuesta en esta computadora y prefiero trabajar en otras cosas que responder a estos temas personales. Perdón si hizo mas difícil entenderlo. Te toda manera, gracias por los comentos. Otra cosa, ser anglosajón quizás ayuda a entender las cosas de otra manera. Pero yo no lo sé. Soy argentino-vasco-gallego-alemán-polaco, ni anglo ni sajón. Trato de usar mi experiencia y interés pero no imponer. Todo eso no importa, lo importante es que esto tiene que ser discutido por todos, en inglés, tiene que ser hecho bien, y no hecho por una persona sola, aunque tú sepas la verdad tanto mejor que nosotros. I hope we can continue this in English for the benefit of others. Mtiedemann 13:09, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A&D flag

I've reverted your changes re the flag of Akrotiri and Dhekelia; while your proposed flags is quite nice, Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day. —Nightstallion (?) 20:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Galicia (Spain)/Galicia (Iberian peninsula)

Hi! It looks like you're trying to move one or more pages. However, please stop doing that this way - the new name of the page might be good, but Wikipedia has another procedure for moving pages. Look at Help:Renaming (moving) a page: you need to use the move tab, and not cut and paste. Cut and paste moves don't take the edit history with them and thus violate the GDFL copyright terms. Also, in some cases, when the move might be controversial, you might first want to discuss the move on the article's talk page. If a move is not possible because a page with the new name already exists, go to Wikipedia:Requested moves. Thanks! —Khoikhoi 17:53, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Khoikoi tiene razon. Debe solicitar el cambio de nombre en esa pagina. Lo que usted ha hecho no esta bien porque resulta en la perdida del historial de la pagina y ademas no ha sido consensuado. No creo que haya ningun tipo de problema para mudar la pagina a Galicia (Spain), pues sigue el estilo de otros nombres de lugar. Un cordial saludo, Asteriontalk 18:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Please, do not go on your changes in Valencian related articles. It's Wikipedia in English, not in "Spanglish". The English name used for the Comunidad Valenciana is "Land of Valencia" according to Regional Government. I recommend you to ask in talk pages about this kind of massive changes, as users who often contribute in those article could help you. Cheers. --Joanot Martorell ✉ 20:19, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Don't make your disappoint to me, but to Valencian Regional Government, wich has published this touristic book titled "Land of Valencia" in English around the world. In the other hand, changes of yours like Valencian and Catalan laguages are different shows clearly your less of aknowlegdement about Valencian issues. Finally, I'm not consider myself as separatist, but I think that the problem is you're clearly a separator. Cheers. --Joanot Martorell ✉ 19:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Hola Satesclop, mi Español es muy malo...yo no puedo mover los artículos porque yo no soy un administrador. Quiero tu vas a WP:RM en lugar. Gracias señor. :) —Khoikhoi 05:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Hola otra vez. El nombre Valencian Community es ambiguo en inglés, por ese motivo se usa Valencia (autonomous community). Le ruego tanto a usted como a Joanot que no se enzarcen en edit wars pues no conducen a nada. Si tiene algún problema con la terminología usada, le pido por favor formalice una petición en WP:RQM. También les agradecería a ambos que no se perdieran el respeto (i.e. criticar el dominio del idioma de cada uno o recurrir a terminos que pudieran ser entedidos como insultantes). Saludos, Asteriontalk 20:03, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of what his political beliefs are, you should always assume good faith. Remember that edit waring gets nothing done, and as soon as you start discussing the faster the conflict will be resolved. —Khoikhoi 04:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I gave you arguments, and I gave you references from Valencian Goverment using term "Land of Valencia" in English, as "Valencian Community" is so ambiguous in English. By exemple, a community can be also a municipality (Austrian Communities) or a ethnic/cultural subgroup in a larger city (Jewish Community in NY). There are also Valencian Communities in Buenos Aires and in Caracas. In the other hand, you are constantly changing again and again turning all Catalan names of some cities into Spanish form. If you read the discussion page, you will find that the cities in Catalan are declared officially as native Catalan-speaker (i.e. Alcoi), and the cities wich name are used in Spanish it's because these are officially declared as native Spanish-speaker (i.e. Orihuela). It's written in this form in a way to respect linguistic diversity. What's supposed I should to do in order to gain a constructive talking between us? If you want only to rule uniquelly your viewpoint, I'm sorry, but Wikipedia rules on several viewpoints. Cheers. --Joanot Martorell ✉ 22:45, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Please stop making undiscussed changes. You have been provided with a valid reason why you should not use the wording Valencian Community and you still carry on. I find this highly disruptive and uncivil. There are mechanisms to address any possible bias in the English Wikipedia. If you believe this is the case, please use them and try to reach consensus before engaging on controversial edits. Regards, Asteriontalk 15:10, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Traducción y adendo: Por favor, deje de efectuar cambios sin discutirlos. Se le ha dado una razón válida de porque no debería usarse el nombre Valencian Community (es una traducción literal del español y es ambigua), y usted insiste en continuar con la campaña de cambios. Su comportamiento es muy molesto y poco civilizado. Existen mecanismos en la wikipedia en inglés para evitar cualquier tipo de prejuicio o bias. Le invito a utilizarlos e intentar alcanzar una solución consensuada, en vez de continuar con polémicos cambios. Saludos, Asteriontalk 15:56, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Balearic Islands

Please do not accuse other editors of vandalism when what is going on is clearly a content dispute. I suggest that you might want to read Wikipedia:Vandalism. - Jmabel | Talk 00:35, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asturias

Asturian names are not official (some of them are now, really), but they are used and it's presence gives information (as some other toponimy unofficial). Please do not remove information that could be useful or I'll have to acuse you on vandalism. Guestia 19:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Russian it's not spoken in Asturias Principality, but Asturian language it's, and names as Principáu d'Asturies are even used by the Administration (see here for example). I must remember you: "Improve pages wherever you can, and don't worry about leaving them imperfect. However, avoid deleting information wherever possible" (from Wikipedia:Editing policy). See Be bold for more details. And this is English Wikipedia, please talk in English. Guestia 14:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] French Pays Basque is Basque

I do not understand your insistence on making this politically-motivated, factually inaccurate set of changes to the Basque categories. And to call my reverts vandalism is unfair and offensive.

Basque describes three things: a people (and their culture, language and identity); a historical area and a set of institutions that historically existed of predominantly Basque character; and the modern Basque autonomous community in Spain and Pays Basque region in France (which does not have official status).

To reject Bixente Lizerazu as having Basque identity is pointless. To reject the Kingdom of Navarre as having an element of Basque character and playing a part in Basque history is ignorant. To remove the possibility of French or Navarrese writers, artists, explorers having or claiming Basque identity is unhelpful. To think that Patxaran or Gateau Basque are not as Basque as dishes from Bilbao is clearly stupid. 'Basque' doesn't just describe a part of Spain and you shouldn't try and claim it.

Please leave the hierarchy alone or at least engage in debate before making these radical changes. I have asked this of you before. Martín (saying/doing) 13:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. For your information, Scotland is officially referred to as a nation, so yes, it is. But that is not my point. I am not being nationalist when I state that cuisine from Biarritz, or a Basque language writer from Tudela, or a football player who has played for both the French national side and the Basque side should be included in a hierarchy of Basque categories. But to deny any Basqueness for an area and people that at least in part define themselves as such is clearly political and wrong. Martín (saying/doing) 13:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
If Bixente Lizarazu is Basque, is born in a place defined by many people, institutions and even its regional government as the 'Pays Basque', speaks a language called Basque, played for a team defining itself as Basque, has a Basque surname and is recognised as being Basque by 99.9% of Basques and non-Basques alike, does that not entitle Wikipedia to put him into a category hierarchy starting from the 'Basque' point, with appropriate links to all elements of Basque culture. You are not the arbiter of what is Basque. Martín (saying/doing) 14:43, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent edits

Satesclop, I have made a complain on your behaviour at the incidents noticeboard. Your reverts are completely undiscussed and you are showing no sort of respect for recent additions to the articles. If you have a problem with something in particular (i.e. locator maps), please bring this up in the talk page but STOP disrupting the articles with weeks-old reverts. This is completely unacceptable. Regards, --Asteriontalk 18:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Satesclop, please can you take your anti-Basque and anti-Catalan agenda elsewhere and stop renaming their football teams. A national football team does not have to represent an independent state. There are several cases in Europe alone where autonomous regions have national teams. Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Faroe Islands are all recognised by UEFA and FIFA and use the term national team in their articles. Politcal status has nothing to do with it. Even so both the Basque Country and Catalonia have more autonomy then the above. Djln--Djln 16:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Similarly, you will notice that "La Borinqueña" is referred to as the national anthem of Puerto Rico. - Jmabel | Talk 06:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
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