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[edit] Kaveri River

I went to make an edit to Kaveri River today, and notice that it is protected. If you and Mahawiki will agree not to revert each other until after the issues have been resolved on the talk page, then it would be my hope that the protecting admin would be willing to lift the protection. Please consider this request. Sincerely, --BostonMA 20:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Sarvagnya. I have responded on my talk page. Sincerely --BostonMA 21:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I left a short commment on my talk page. It is not a comprehensive reply, but I need to take some rest now. Talk to you again tomorrow (US time). --BostonMA 00:09, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Try again

I have clicked "Enable e-mail from other users" switch.Dineshkannambadi 01:57, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

Hi again!

I see the problems between you and Mahawiki involve:

• civility issues
• content issues

As about civility, let bygones be bygones. Let's decide that from now onwards, both of you will be more refined while dealing with each other. That's the only way of resolving this matter. I can't really catch your necks and ask you to be friends (I would've done that that if you were both present in front of me...) Just make sure that you stay cool, don't mount personal attacks and assume good faith.

As about content issues, next time you feel that the other person is adding POV to the article, instead of starting a revert war, just drop a note at Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics. All editors who are knowledgable about India will try to arrive at a solution.

If everything fails, the only option is Wikipedia:Resolving disputes. utcursch | talk 03:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, I agree we'll have been wrong sometimes. But let bygones be bygones and from now onwards, let's be civil and use the notice-board for content-related issues. Also, please go through Wikipedia:Resolving disputes carefully. :) utcursch | talk 11:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

Hi. We need to get in pictures of the famous haridasas inclding Kanakadasa. I would like them in the Vijayanagar page also. Can we copy/scan it off the pages in the Haridasa link I have provided in the Haridasa page?

Dineshkannambadi

[edit] Dispute resolution

Hi! I believe Wikipedia:Requests for comment is the next step. utcursch | talk 12:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chalukya

I have received permission from a wiki admin to use Photos taken by my friend at Pattadakal/Badami as my own (with permission). So in the next few weeks as soon as i get them, I shall have a page ready on Badami Chalukya architecture. I shall defnitely visit the place too later too.

Dineshkannambadi

[edit] Phenom

Hey ignorant fool, if you don't know about Indian rock bands don't put silly tags. It makes you look like an idiot. Don't try to mess with us. Again, if you put stupid tags on Phenom article I'll call an admin PhenomenalRock 17:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kaveri

Hi there! Sure, I'll take a look at the article, but it probably won't be until late tomorrow evening. Just off the top, I think this is a well written article but I'll read through a little more tomorrow and see what areas, if any, can prove contentious and how we can appropriately add citations to the article. Unfortunately, edit warring is something that all contentious articles experience regardless of whether or not the articles are well cited. It is one of the fundamental problems with having a wiki encyclopedia. AreJay 02:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello Sarvagnya! I'm a little busy now with a couple of things on the Norwegian wikipedia, but I will have a look at the article on Monday or Tuesday and tell you what I think. At a quick glance, it seems quite promising, and I don't think there're likely to be any real issues. I have a couple of academic papers about the dispute buried somewhere, which I will also try to dig out. -- Arvind

Hi again Sarvagnya! I've now had a detailed look at the article. Apart from a few points of wording (mainly the use of words such as "amazingly" and "obviously"), it seems fine. There are a few points I'd like to add, though.

• First, I'd like to add a section at the top which describes briefly the chief contentions of each State (Karnataka has those three or four volumes it published setting out its case, for example, which make five main points). I'd also like to relate the stances taken by Karnataka and TN to the various principles that have been advanced internationally in the general context of river disputes between upper- and lower-riperian states ("prior appropriation", "absolute sovereignty", "equitable allocation", and so on). I'd also like to add percentages into the table you have at the beginning, which will make the significance of the figures much more obvious.
• Secondly, I'd like to emphasise the politics a bit more: there has been a strong correlation both in TN and Karnataka between winning the most seats in the riparian districts and winning control of the State Assembly, which essentially means that taking an extreme stance pays off politically and reduces the chance of compromise (as has been pointed out in several academic analyses of the dispute). Additionally, the increase in the dispute's intensity in the 80's also coincided with the weakening of the national parties and of the central government generally, which has reduced its ability to force a solution.
• Finally, I think we need to link this to the wider context of the problem of water resources in India, which are getting scarcer, referring to things such as the dramatic (and downright scary) drop in the water table in much of southern Karnataka as groundwater gets used up.

Let me know what you think. If you're OK with these suggestions, I'll have a go at adding these into the article over the weekend. -- Arvind 23:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jana Gana Mana

My comments on the JGM talk page was this

Sarvagnya and Arya_Rajya_Maharashtra are again undoing/redoing Hindi to Devanagari. Can you guys discuss whats wrong. This talk page has enough information already about this whole issue. Just few lines above on this page Sameer Khan has provided some logic about some of his changes. So why this issue again ? What's wrong with Hindi and what's wrong with Devanagari either ? --APandey 13:14, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

What accusation did you see here ? As is very clear I am OK with either you putting Hindi or Arya Rajya Maharashtra putting Devanagari. Although I would personally like Hindi because of the logic provided by Sameer Khan. Now where is the question of me accussing you of anything or having problems with you. I do not have time for all this, you know. Thanks. --APandey 11:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seuna

Looks like these guys have got together with one more person and started to just put tags and remove stuff without even getting me involved in it (considering I put together the page)

Dineshkannambadi

Hi! I made two changes to the "Seuna" article, that might be considered controversial. Firstly, I put {{fact}} tags. That was because the citations produced were "according research by XYZ" -- there was no mention of which research etc. This is fair enough I guess. No content was removed from the article. Secondly, I suggested that Seuna be merged with Yadava Dynasty and the new article be located at Yadava dynasty or Seuna Yadavas of Devagiri. This again, was not without discussion -- I initiated the discussion at Talk:Yadava Dynasty#Merge and also put a pointer to it at Talk:Seuna#merge_rationale. I've given reasons for the merge, please do have a look at them. I also left a note of Mahawiki's page [1]: "let other editors (including Dinesh) provide their views" (and this was before Dineshkannambadi left a note on my user page). I am not anti-Kannada. Earlier, I've been accused of being anti-Maharashtra by Mahawiki[2]. I guess, that's because I don't let things like regionalism, linguistic patriotism or religion come in way of my edits. I just want an accurate article, without any POV, whether pro-Kannada or pro-Marathi. utcursch | talk 08:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello again! I've moved Seuna to Seuna Yadavas of Devagiri. No content has been removed. Some content has been added to make the article NPOV. I hope it's OK with everybody now. Please do drop by to tell if something is amiss. Everybody is free to edit the article, but please don't add POV (pro-Marathi or pro-Kannada). utcursch | talk 12:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

Not really. Littering talk pages with bogus warnings is vandalism. Consider yourself warned, any more useless garbage on my talk page will be removed.Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

hi Sarvajña — I agree this is misbehaviour, and I did of course not expect otherwise from this user. But since I do not want to escalate this into personal feuds, could I ask you to look for assistance from the wider admin community at WP:AN/I. dab (ᛏ) 07:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey, Godse was executed for murder, no need to dispute that. Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 08:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I was talking to Bakaman...perhaps I should've put it on his talk page, my mistake. Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 05:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply to your message

I am not very keen on complaining about you at the admin talk pages as you suggested. That will not solve the purpose because you will never ever change your views. However as I said you have been showing some indecent behaviour in that discussion. Earlier also, you left me a bogus warning for no reason. If you follow the thread carefully and read all the discussion with intent, you will understand what I am saying. Do not use the language like "Let me refresh your memory". Thanks. --APandey 09:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Dude, thats why I asked you to read the discussion threads with intent. Can you show me a single line in that thread where I said that you are biased (although personally I very strongly feel that you almost always push your POV). I said that I do not want to reply to your points because u r beyond my comprehension. And then you said hundered of things in reply to me, to which I refrained from replying. you even warned me for no reason. I don't know whats the matter with you. --APandey 10:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Dr. Kamath

My statement about Dr. Kamath was not a "sweeping statement". See User talk:Mahawiki#Re:_New_name_of_Yadava_dynasty for the fully story. (Try [3], in case this page gets archived). I didn't "dismiss Mr. Kamath with a wave of my hand"; in fact, I said "But still, he is a notable historian, so his citations are valid." utcursch | talk 11:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carnatic Music - Admin abuse

Yeah he must be otherwise he cant reverse edits like that.

We have sufficient representation now (in terms of having speakers of all relevant languages to support the cause) to proceed against this menace. Please keep checking back often in the next few days. We should do something about these linguistically biased admins and provide some objective content there for wikipedia users. We should not allow WP to be hijacked by vested interests. --Kris 22:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

We will take article one by one and work at making them objective.--Kris 22:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. We can use that. It is funny that after indirectly calling me names (as spammer), he turns over the same blame on me saying that I called him a liar. If consensus has been reached, where do all the dissenting folks like you and me go? I have asked him to try for that consensus that he claims was reached. ;) --Kris 00:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Sarvagna, as I said, I am not against portraying these composers as "composers" or as "trinity of ancient tamil music". I realize that this issue has raised a heated debate on both sides, so I dont mistake you. We should be aware of both areas (Ancient Tamil Music and Carnatic Music) to effectively end this debate. I can claim (with all humility) to know something of both. And in my view, even though the ancient tamil compositions are sometimes included as karnatic concert pieces, it does not make them Carnatic Music compositions. Their basic nature is that of Tamil devotional hymns (both saivite and vaishnavite works are there). Their composers are basically tamil devotional music composers. Whereas people like Thyagaraja, Dikshitar etc composed "classical music with a devotional flavor". This is what we have to make them realize. --Kris 00:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Halmidi inscription

Hello Sarvagnya,

Some months ago, I typed up a transcription of the Halmidi inscription. I think it's the only online text of the Halmidi inscription, something I'm quite pleased about. Anyway, since you have some knowledge of Halegannada, I was wondering if you'd be able to provide a translation of the inscription. The article should, ideally, have the Halegannada text, a translation into modern Kannada (with a romanisation) to show the relationship between the two, and an English translation. Do you think you could do that?

A picture showing the actual inscription would also be great - or, at the least, a graphic file showing how it was written in the Old Kannada script. -- Arvind 10:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ನಮಸ್ಕಾರ

ನಮಸ್ಕಾರ ಸರ್ವಜ್ಞರಿಗೆ. ಇಂಗ್ಲಿಷ್ ವಿಕಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಸಕ್ರಿಯರಾದ ಕೆಲವೇ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರಲ್ಲಿ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಹೆಸರು ಕಂಡು ಬಂತು. ಆದ್ದರಿಂದ ಎರಡು ವಿಷಯಗಳತ್ತ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಸಹಾಯ ಕೋರುತ್ತ: ೧) ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಪುಟಕ್ಕೆ ಇತ್ತೀಚೆಗೆ ತುಂಬಿ ಹರಿದ ಜೋಗದ ಫೋಟೋ ಒದಗಿಸಲು ಪ್ರಯತ್ನಿಸೋಣ. ೨) ಕರ್ನಾಟಕಕ್ಕೊಂಡು ವಿಕಿಪೀಡೀಯ ಪೋರ್ಟಲ್ ಮಾಡುವ ಅವಶ್ಯಕತೆಯಿದೆ. ನೀವು ವಹಿಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತೀರ? --H P Nadig * ^{\Talk \Contributions} 06:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] carnatic composers

Made a few changes in wording. Do we need early-modern distinction where its in chronological order? I removed this.--Kris 19:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taluk infobox

Hi Sarvagnya, I have replied to your message on WT:INWNB. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 23:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Karnataka

[edit] Whats your problem on Kaveri?

Why are you deleting [[Category:Karnataka]] ?? Sarvagnya 22:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello. This nice article is already categorized by "Rivers of Karnataka" category which is already a subcategory of category "Karnataka". This is common policy here. - Darwinek 22:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Guess... my bad. But then, if what you are saying is true, I have some questions for you. See for e.g., this, this and this. Note that there are 139, 91 and 56 pages under cat:kar, cat:tamil nadu and cat:west bengal respectively. Also note that most of these (139,91 and 56) pages are also members of subcats of cat:Kar, Cat:Tamil Nadu and Cat:west bengal.

So, who's wrong, what's wrong here? In this light, please take a look at this and comment ont the talk page. Thanks. Sarvagnya 23:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

You are right. This mess should be cleaned up. It started when somebody created a subcategory, added it to an article but didn't removed parent category from it. Basically, in future categories "Karnataka" and others should be empty like Category:Burkina Faso is. All stuff should be in the subcats. - Darwinek 08:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on a page. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. --Ragib 04:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

For ridiculous levels of fighting with Mahawiki. And please do not use popups in content disputes. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 08:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Appealing my block

Note: I tried appealing through email to Admin Blnguyen. But since I have not got a response in over two hours or so, I am appealing it here

Contents of my block infobox
Your user name or IP address has been blocked from editing. You were blocked by Blnguyen for the following reason (see our blocking policy): excessive fighting/arguing with User:Mahawiki

Your IP address is 70.162.92.59.

[edit] Discussion from Saare Jahan Se Achcha

Sarvagnya and all other anti-Hindi memebers are adviced to stop spreading hatred against any language.just like wikipedia is not Hindi-prachar sabha its not hindi virodh sabha either.I do agree that Hindi is not our sole national language but it is a fact that it is the official and main link language of India [4]. Morever i hope all know that Colloquially and linguistically, the distinction between the Urdū and Hindi is nearly meaningless[5].Apart from all this reasons what harm will it do to anyone if we include hindi transliteration? Mahawiki 05:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Stop your empty rhetoric and if possible give a justification for having hindi/devanagari script there. Like I've already said before, this is an Urdu song and the English wikipeidia and the use of Hindi here is superfluous and meaningless. Sarvagnya 06:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

This is the last time i am requesting u to tone down ur language.If u read my post clearly its not rhetoric and with a justification of why Hindi transliteration should be used here.

• I do agree that Hindi is not our sole national language but it is a fact that it is the official and main link language of India [6]
• Colloquially and linguistically, the distinction between the Urdū and Hindi is nearly meaningless[7] [8]
• The song is ewually popular with Hindi speakers.In fact song is referred as tarana-e-Hindi [9]

Since u want to remove the transliteration, onus is upon YOU to justify why to remove it?According to me u r just showcasing ur hatred against Hindi.Morever there's a consensus to include Hindi transliteration.Remember, this is not hindi virodh sabha. Thanks. Mahawiki 06:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

None of the reasons you give is acceptable on WP. WP runs according to its own rules. It does not run according to the Indian constitution. Moreover, this song has no special sanction even under the Indian constitution. This is just another song and it happens to be in Urdu. As for Hindi people singing it, I know it for a fact that people from all over India(of all languages, castes and creed) sing it. That doesnt mean we need to infest this article with transliterations of all the 200 odd languages in India. Also stop citing sources like this and this. They are somebody's private blogs and are worthless as far as WP is concerned. See WP:Citing Sources Sarvagnya 07:02, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

But what about consensus among editors here to include Hindi transliteration?I am sure none of us are taking help of sockpuppets to achive the consensus. Mahawiki 07:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

• Wikipedia is NOT a democracy for like minded people to vote and push their POV. Wikipedia is about truth and it has its own policies and rules to ensure that people work towards that end. Like I said, the Indian constitution's writ doesnt run on the Wikipedia. Sarvagnya 07:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

• As for your accusations of sockpuppetry, I treat it with the contempt I reserve especially for you and your ilk(read arya, baka). I encourage you to go and file your complaint with any authority you want - even Jimbo Wales LOL. :D Sarvagnya 07:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

• I have not accused u of sockpuppetry here.I am talking about the consensus.Mahawiki
•  ::Is that so???Then why did u talked about consensus thing HERE..? (Sarvagnya: And secondly, the consensus on this page seems to be that the Urdu translation is not required..) Any comments? Mahawiki 07:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

• Consensus based on WP policies is different from consensus of a mob. Sarvagnya 07:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

And I didnt knew ur so concerned about WP policies and rule..especially when ur removing official warnings and the non-obscene message which u dont like?[10]Again do u remember u had adviced me once against removing official warnings?(see the link) Mahawiki 07:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Bogus Warning !

Regarding your bogus warning - It would be much better if you'd appply the same to yourself. Please, don't vandalise my talkpage -AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 18:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Enough

Stop. Stop the bickering between you. Stop arguing on each other's talk pages. Stop arguing on other talk pages. Stop arguing in public. Just stop. The point-scoring and general nonsense that would shame two 11-year-old schoolboys is just tiresome. You can seek mediation or just avoid each other. But you're going to have to stop the bickering as someone, somewhere, is going to assume that the pair of you are trolling Wikipedia and thus will make you stop bickering in the most permanent way: without discrimination, someone will block both of you. So give it up. Now. Stop. We're done. Thanks. ➨ ЯEDVERS 20:10, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Replied HERE Sarvagnya 20:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

No, now you are attempting to bicker with me. I'm not going to bicker with you. Don't post to my talk page again on this subject, please. I've got bigger fish to fry in RL. Honestly. No, really honestly. No, worse than that. I mean Big Stuff. So, here's a clue: stop bickering. You have better things to do than spat with the other user. The other user has better things to do than spat with you. This is a website. An important one, and then some, but it is not a nuclear bomb, cancer, global warming or anything else that might give one pause. Give it up. I'm not interested, and as I hinted, I'm happy to support blocking both of you to stop the bickering by either of you. So stop. Now. Really. It isn't worth it. ➨ ЯEDVERS 20:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:NPA

(Cross-posting my reply from WP:PAIN)
This situation looks to be getting out of hand. I'll be warning both of you for your personal attacks, because civility is not an obligation of only one editor. In my opinion, your statements including "I treat it with the contempt I reserve especially for you and your ilk", and others aren't helping to calm the situation down. Your warning had a very confrontational tone and heading; in addition, it's not quite clear to me that starting at {{npa3}} was the way to go. So please, all parties involved need to do the right thing and come at this with the right attitude -- calm talk and dispute resolution are the way to go. Luna Santin 23:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indian Nationalism and Pakistani nationalism

Could you participate in the discussion with User:S Seagal in both pages? This guy is spouting some revisionist crap from some Deobandi madrassa somewhere in both places.Hkelkar 01:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

There is a heated debate going on in Talk:Indian Nationalism (see the history of that page) regarding whether Harrappans were Indians or Pakistanis. Plus, Look at the revert war on Pakistani nationalism over whether Rudyard Kipling was talking about India or Pakistan regarding a particular quote.Hkelkar

[edit] Watch out

For this User:S Seagal guy. he is highly disruptive and incivil and is trying the same kind of stunt in the Indo-Bangladesh conflict of 2001 article which he started and loaded with garbage.Hkelkar 04:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I am sure I've seen worse ;) --Sarvagnya 05:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trash

Hello Sarvagnya! I noticed that you move certain messages (possibly those that dont interest you) to a page titled "trash". Could you please reconsider doing this in the future, as some users might consider this as a personal attack? Thanks! PS: Hope this message doesnt end up there too.--thunderboltz^(Deepu) 14:30, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I notice that you are still continuing with the practice [11]. These warnings are not put on your talk page to annoy you; they are put here because other editors think that your behavior needs improvement, and we're giving you the courtesy of letting you know. Please respond by changing your behavior, and please stop removing these messages. If you continue, I would have to resort to protecting the page from editing. Please be advised that actions might also be taken in accordance with WP:NPA if necessary.--thunderboltz^(Deepu) 08:29, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The lighted path

I thank you for your greetings. I wish you All The Best on the ocasion of the Indian festival of light, Diwali. I am sure that the light of hope, confidence, and all positive attributes shall always remain inside you – lighting your path and guiding you to attain higher and higher levels of excellence in all your endevours! All the best! --Bhadani 15:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just so you know

..."RL" means "real life", as in "away from the computer". DS 16:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your vigilance

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Hi Sarvagnya. This has been due for some time. Thanks for your constant support and vigilance.Dineshkannambadi 18:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification

Wikistalking is going after the contributions of someone with whom one is in dispute and raising some issue or the other because of the earlier dispute. I haven't called you incivil. but, I'd say that occasionally Srkris and you have been very hawkish and confrontational. I see this whole episode be a lot better, if the initial tone of Srkris assumed good faith and was not presumptuous. He seems to have got fed up with chauvinists and has started seeing chauvinists in everyone. I'd have preferred a more amicable solution through draft proposals that happen iteratively as what happened at Talk:Tamil language. I don't say that Aadal and Parthi didn't use strong words or that they didn't have a POV, but they had some provocation to make them rigid. Everybody has their POV, howmuchever we deny that. But, when we're willing to listen with an open mind and avoid escalating conflicts, things get solved easily.

Any way, my intention is not to raise disputes but see an end to the current dispute through mediation. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 11:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't mean that you should not edit the articles that are being edited by those with whom you're in dispute. Just that the past disputes shouldn't lead you to pursue their contributions aggressively with the intention of raising disputes; not that you do that, nevertheless my suggestion was to prevent that from happening. As you point out, Arya and Mahawiki could be doing that already. I think Blnguyen is an active Indian admin now who can help you out in this. If there are clear violations like 3RR etc., I can do a quick fact check and take admin action. But, I'll not be able to engage deeply into controversial issues and mediate myself. Thanks for taking my suggestion in the right spirit. I do hope that your positive gestures hereafter are reciprocated. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 11:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hi Sarvagnya. Thanks for the message. Do message me if you need help on anything. Tell me if you think I am going wrong anywhere - I am always open to any suggestions. Cheers. - Aksi_great (talk) 11:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] copyedit

Can you give Hoysala architecture a thorough copy edit? user Taxman felt that I should get rid of all lists (list of this, list of that). I took out and explained in simple language two of the lists but kept the list of famous temples (explained by Gerard Foekema in this book) and list of inherited features. What do you think?. Should I explain two or three famous temples in detail (may make it lengthy)Dineshkannambadi 02:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] questions about hoysalas

Good questions. Ofcourse these kings had beautful palaces, though not like the Mysore Maharajas, but most were lost because of fire to wood construction, perhaps destruction by invasion. But we need to keep away from temple destruction/desecration topics as it is a controversial issue and if anything will hold up the article. There is a seperate page I believe for this (Islamic invasion of India or something to that effect). Also lot of local vandalism has happened though as an after effect of invasion. Yes the Hoysalas (and more so the Western Chalukyas) built many temple tanks. Hoysala example being at Hulikere in Hassan district (recent discovery I think). If we have to make a article on tample tanks it has to be w.r.t. Kalyani Chalukya (next years topic after my visit) because they built more than 50 in Lakkundi alone. There is a vast difference between temple tanks of Karnataka vs Tamilnadu. In Tamil country, they were wide with shall flight of steps where as in Karnataka, they were deep tanks and not so large. Irrespective, they have well decorated shrines in them as each tank had a diety also. Without visting these structures, it very difficult to make mater out of it, even if we have a book for it. A template for important temples, their builder, king , time frame is a good idea. I can get the info from my book for all temples mentioned in the list and may be some more.Dineshkannambadi 03:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Infoboxes for Taluks of India

Replied on Oct 13. Was archived to Archive 17. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 02:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

oops. I have not worked on Kar box yet. I have plans to find missing fields in Kar box and include them in the Indian districts box. I will let you know when that is complete. -- Ganeshk (talk) 02:54, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DO NOT BLANK COMMENTS FROM TALKPAGES

You are warned not to blank comments from talkpages as you did here. You are requested not to indulge in such behaviour as it is called "vandalism". Please, if you have anything to test, test it in the sandbox. Talkpages of articles are not the place to experiment. AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 04:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

As can be seen from the diff you've provided in this frivolous warning.. I've reverted some blatant trolling from some disgusting troll who's been at it for the last three months. This troll is an itch me and everyone else at the Kannada talk page have learnt to live with. And if reverting without an edit summary is likened to a slap on the face of the editor, then thats exactly what I intend to do to the troll. And on top of all that, you choose to "wikistalk" me and even warn me for something that doesnt concern you in the least. Sarvagnya 05:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Should I must remind you of your wikistalking on Marathi people page and now on Belgaon talkpage ? AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 07:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Funny. My edits on the Marathi people page was even corroborated by the admin. And Belgaum page, I've been editing there before you landed there. Huh. Sarvagnya 07:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Three-Revert Rule

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Stifle (talk) 15:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Please desist from using popups in content disputes, and using that "trash" bucket. This is your final warning. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Districts box

I have moved all params to the jurisdiction box. Please read this. -- Ganeshk (talk) 04:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deer Valley High School

I just did my first wiki disambig with Deer Valley High School and I hope I did it right. If not, I just want to let someone know so it can be fixed up. ^_^; -WarthogDemon 05:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Early Cholas

This article is fully cited from scholarly books and papers by reputed historians. If you want to indulge in original research trying to disprove accepted history, then WP is not the place for it. - Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 05:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Read the article and then read the books cited in the reference. WP cannot use primary sources. We can only report what has already been accepted and published. That is what this article does.- Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 05:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

In this article you created yourself, you yourself say, " Though legendary and apocryphal, the early Chola kings of the Sangam period and the life of people contributed much to the cultural wealth of the Tamil country. The Sangam literature is full of legends about the mythical Chola kings". Unless you can prove that they were anything more than legendary and mythical, there is no reason to club them with kings whose historicity is proven. Rama and Krishna appear in literature and poetry in all languages all over India. And yet, nobody has gone as far as call them anything more than mythical. So I will be changing it. And one more thing, do NOT use popups in content disputes. You should know better considering the company you keep(No, I am not talking about Sundar... not even close). Thanks. Sarvagnya 05:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

If you cared to read the article Legendary Early Chola Kings, it contains suprious listings of cholas from around 10000 BCE. This is what is termed 'mythical', not the Early Chola kings. Again read some books before dabbling in WP. It will certainly expand the mind. I don't care about your cleaver insinuations. Your track record speaks for itself. Remember the 3RR rules when you indulge in such activity. I am not here to 'prove' anything. Unlike you and some of your friends, my focus is in writing good articles. - Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 06:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Best wishes for rajotsava!! See http://www.tarunbharat.com/Seema%20Ladha/seemaprashna.pdf which would clear ur doubt about its authenticty, Mr.Know it all. Now that i have given u a best wishes for rajotsava plz respond by best wishes for our MES celebrations at Belgaum now!

Mahawiki 19:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ಸುವರ್ಣ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಕನ್ನಡ ರಾಜ್ಯೋತ್ಸವ

ಕನ್ನಡ ರಾಜ್ಯೋತ್ಸವದ ಹಾರ್ದಿಕ ಶುಭಾಶಯಗಳು!!

Wish you a very happy Kannada Rajyothsava. - KNM ^Talk 02:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kannada Rajyothsava Shubhashayagalu

ಉಸಿರಾಗಲಿ ಕನ್ನಡ ಬದುಕಾಗಲಿ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕGnanapiti 02:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kannada Rajyotsava

Kannada Rajyotsavada Hardhika ShubhashayagaLu to you also. We have a long road ahead on wikipedia, just like we did after 1956. Hang on and enjoy the ride. Contribute to your hearts content. Let Karnataka shine in the world.Dineshkannambadi 02:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ಕನ್ನಡ ರಾಜ್ಯೋತ್ಸವದ ಶುಭಾಶಯಗಳು

ನಿಮಗೂ ಸಹ ಕನ್ನಡ ರಾಜ್ಯೋತ್ಸವದ ಹಾರ್ದಿಕ ಶುಭಾಶಯಗಳು -- ನವೀನ್

[edit] Email

The template and block stay. Checkuser does not show likely, but confirmed. Which means that User:Dmcdevit is very sure. I would ask you to send a message to Dmc and/or post on ANI. - Aksi_great (talk) 19:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

If as you say Gnanapiti has moved to another city, then IP evidence would show it. Again, ask Dmc about it. Only he can verify what you say. The template and block on 1 account stay till then. - Aksi_great (talk) 19:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Since you are saying that the pair of you shared personal laptops, I think that counts as Meatpuppetry to say the least. Also, I can see that Gnanapiti started using popups within his first 100 edits, which is consistent with you guiding him and mentoring him. As such, I don't feel that you are able to edit the same pages without contravening the Meatpuppetry policy. You have already teamed up to get five reverts on Belgaum border dispute and Saare Jahan Se Achcha. So I don't think that you would be permitted to edit the same articles simultaneously. As for Gnanapiti, the only way is to check very recent statistics or unblock him to edit on non-battleground articles to register his IP in his new location. Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Also Note that Arya was termed as very likely and still blocked but sarvagnya's confirmed sockpuppetmaster and yet not blocked?. Mahawiki

[edit] emblem

Hi. I dont think I can scan them from a book. I asked someone about it. I shall repost the question to Blnguyen about this one. My books also gives the maps of the empires for those that dont already have it. If i can scan it that would be great. Also about Aftermath of Talikota, I am sure I can come up with source data for TN feudatories. Kerela normally goes with TN. They had small kings like Zamorin etc whose info is lost in an unimportant phase of Vijayanagar history and really needs digging.Dineshkannambadi

[edit] Battle of Talikota

I have added brief details about the aftermath. Nothing is said of Kerela though. After the shift of Vijayanagara to Penukonda, the whole history becomes one of small kingdoms constantly waging war against each other, against the Sultans of Bijapur, against the Dutch, the Portuguese, the British etc. a real Chow-chow affair. The only time South India seemed to getting into an empire like situation was under Tippu Sultan, when he controlled most of south India, south of Krishna. The history is so hotch-potch between 1565-1750 approximately is that its like eating Chow-Chow bhat, if you know what I meanDineshkannambadi 02:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: WP:KAR

Sure. I will look into it. Looks like lot of things need to be done there, but a good start from you. Thanks. - KNM ^Talk 18:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An Arbitration

I've noticed you have dealt with several users that are currently involved in this arbitration case. If you would like to say something on the main page or the evidence page, I'm sure your additions would be welcome. Thanks. BhaiSaab ^talk 17:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re; Shivanasamudra

Thanks for your note. I hope you do read the extended discussion (also some of it is on User:BostonMA's page -- and it is very confusing because we lost track of what page we were on (at least I did), and therefore posted some things twice!

It also involves User:Dineshkannambadi to some degree: [12] [13]

I am very confused about it all right now and would like to apologize to BostonMA. I know he is sincerely trying to do the right thing. If you could help that would be great! Mattisse(talk) 16:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

It does help. Thanks! Mattisse(talk) 17:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi! I finally had time to read what you wrote to me earlier and see that it doen't pertain to me. So I moved what you wrote me over to BostonMA's page as all those names you mention are not anything I have to do with or understand. To tell you the truth, I don't know what you are talking about. He probably knows what you mean and can sort it out and do what you want. Thanks for helping out. Mattisse(talk) 02:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Sarvagnya, Mattisse is not inclined to deal with this now. I am officially agnostic on the the name issue. The only editors who seem to have expressed definite opinions are yourself and User:Dineshkannambadi. Dineshkannambadi is correct that the majority of maps and other references use "Sivasamudram". That is how it is spelt on my map as well. However, I personally don't think mapmakers are authorative in such matters. They are also faced with having to choose from a number of possibilities, and they in turn may have chosen one name because someone else chose that name, and so on. So, I will go with whatever name you two decide. Sincerely, --BostonMA ^talk 03:04, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yes, I am done working on India articles

Hi, It's only a punishing experience for me. So I ask you to leave me out and please do not intrude on my talk page again. I have archived the mess and will forget about it. No more work on India for me. Your attitude decides it for me that Indians do not want non-Indians working on your pages, except to do the gut work. I get it now and will no longer intrude. Thanks for understanding! Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for the apology

Hi, your apology sounds very different from the way you came across on my Talk page, so I appreciate it very much. I have worked on articles for all sorts of countries and only on India articles does ethnicity seem to be a question. I have been assumed to be Indian, or asked if I am Indian countless times, even by the admin who was blocking me. Never in any other country has anyone cared enough to ask. And now it is boiling down to the issue that I can no longer conduct research because the name practices for Indian articles are moving in the direction of using names that are not found on world database sites. Preferring local names is wonderful for the locals, but it excludes the Wikipedia editors at large and seems inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Certainly it prevents me from continuing to work on India articles. I am sorry to leave, but it is becoming impossible to continue. And i do resent the high-handed attitudes of Indian editors. It is extremely unpleasant and I am no longer willing to expose myself to this behavior. There are many other interesting areas where abuse is not constant. i hope you understand my decision to move on. I am giving up many articles I care about, but it is not worth the misery involvement with India entails. Very few Indian editors, in my experience, are interested in gathering a database of information. Most seem to spend there time defending there own parochial territory. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 03:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: Baka's comments

Hi Sarvagnya. I'm unable to take up personal disputes, while content disputes themselves are quite overwhelming. Please check with another admin if he has been stalking you. Since his comments were related to another article, I've not gone into its details.

Regarding Tolkappiyam, I think the section needs to be rewritten in the light of fresh references from Parthi and Arvind. I expect your cooperation in this. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 10:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kiruba shankar

Hey. Cool down man. You don't need to get so excited about an AfD (atleast that was the impression I got from reading your comments). "I havent even heard of this 'nobody's' name", "Writing a whole article about this 'nobody'" are not the best sentences to use. It is insulting to call anyone a "nobody" even if he/she is not notable. - Aksi_great (talk) 20:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand what you are trying to convey. I can't comment on why others may be voting to keep. But I see many editors whom I respect and trust on the list of people who have voted to keep. Anyways, I do not intend to vote on the AfD. I just left a note on your talk page to let you know my opinion about your remarks. You have made some good points. Just wait and watch what the others say to it. - Aksi_great (talk) 20:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] India

Hello. I'm sorry, but Fowler and I have already explained our reasoning on the talk page — several times. Please study those replies. This is not about a revert war; it is instead about summary style. Nichalp, Fowler, I, and others have just spent several days cleaning up the article by removing excess detail, advertisements, listcruft, etc. To prevent the article from degrading again, we must insist on being firm in upholding WP:SS from now on. However, we are encouraging contributors to add information on flora and fauna or the military. Focusing on those topics would help more than endlessly adding new items to already representative lists. See Australia or Bangladesh for what I mean. Regards. Saravask 19:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chalukya

Sarvagnya, the article has been accepted as a FA. I would like to thank you for your efforts in making this happen as a team.Dineshkannambadi 16:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] answer

Hi - take a look at {{PD-India}} - this is the official copyright policy and the tag you'll need when you upload an image. Rama's arrow 23:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

And yes - all images before Jan. 1946 are public domain even if the book was published later. Rama's arrow 00:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Hi Blng, I recently created this article. There is still some work that needs to go into it(mostly cpedit/grammar/spelling/wikilinks etc.,) but otherwise, it is almost complete. I was wondering if this will qualify for DYK. How do I go about it. Thanks. Sarvagnya 22:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

It is certainly long enough, an article does not need to be very long or comprehensive at all to be included (WP:DYK guidelines) such as Mahinda or Jambuka or Channa (Buddhist) - so it doesn't have to be more than a start-class article. DYK is for new articles, up and coming stuff. It is not really strict on grammar, sentence flow, etc, but it still must be WP:NPOV and sourced - and not the subject of tags like {{cleanup}}, {{tone}} - at the moment the article is not written in an encyclopedic tone, it has contractions "isn't" - it has POV things like "being the most important ones" (say who regarded them as such and why) - you also italicised part of the lead to emphasise a point, which isn't allowed as a reader must make up their own mind. You appear to have imported commentary from newspapers like "the then ruler of Mysore is even today fondly remembered as one of the greatest rulers to rule Mysore<by whom>, not to mention that he had the services of Bharat Ratna Sir M Vishweshwarayya to assist him" and "What had until then been confined to mostly muted protest, soon found a voice. This institution was the fruit of tireless efforts by Sri Gangadhar Deshpande at a time when Marathi language and culture had an overbearing presence in Kannada land" - even though newspapers and magazines user hyperbole and dramatic words (WP:WEASEL, WP:PEACOCK) when reporting, we can only import the facts to Wikipedia in unemotive language - otherwise cricket articles, eg will end up with stuff like "unbelievable performance", "abominable performance", "abysmal collapse". If some scholar made an assessment, we say "Wisden rated Sachin Tendulkar as the 2nd best batsmen ever" or "Wisden described Virender Sehwag as the "most exciting batsman in international circket"" (see their articles) - we can't just put it in as a statement. I think a good article to look at encyclopedic tone is Partition of India. Aside from that Template talk:Did you know is the place to put your nominations, under the date of creation. Thanks Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

You can also see my DYK list on my userpage to see what is expected - it doesn't have to be great. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal Karnataka

There is a typo in the 2nd line of "Hoysala Empire" I think. I did know how to reach the page so I am letting you know.Dineshkannambadi 17:27, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unification of Karnataka

You have written a very well organised and informative article on unification of Karnataka. Congrats. Where did you manage to get all such detailed information? Gnanapiti 17:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the new "type" of award. By the way, I saw your article, "unification of Karnataka". It looks great. I can fax you some very useful pages from Dr. Kamath's book, literally some 70 pages worth, about creation of modern Mysore, Reunification of Karnataka, rennaissance in Kannada literature and so on. You will find this very useful. Are you interested?Dineshkannambadi 21:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hoysala

Is the unsigned edit (in the Consolidation and Continuity sections) prior to your last edit on architecture also by you. Just making sure.Dineshkannambadi 14:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] dravidian question

answered on my talk page. --SameerKhan 09:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know?

On 29 November 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Unification of Karnataka, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Hi Sarvagnya, Good Job! - KNM ^Talk 06:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

the same is applicable about ur edits on belgaum page. WP:AGF let us not disrupt belgaum dispute or unification of karnataka.Sarvabhaum 18:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

the same is applicable about ur edits on belgaum page. WP:AGF let us not disrupt belgaum dispute or unification of karnataka.Sarvabhaum 18:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hoysala

Users Mattisse and BostonMA are also helping us with copyedits. Feel free to jump in whenever you are free.Dineshkannambadi 19:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] South Indian Cinema and Music Award

Dear Sarvanya: Just thought we'd need experienced Wikipedians to discuss about the introduction or removal of a new barnstar for South Indian Cinema and Music. Would appreciate very much you taking a look at the discussion and perhaps providing your comment here. Thank you. Best wishes, AppleJuggler 15:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your reverts

What exactly is your problem with the passage you removed in Carnatic music? Every sentence in that has been cited properly. Please don't revert without giving reasons. Thanks Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 05:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

At least have the etiquette to answer my questions in the talk page. Your silence points to shades of vandalism rather than concern for the integrity of WP. Thanks Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 07:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

You have answered none of my questions. the seven sentences in the paragraph uner discussion which statements are false, and misleading untruths? Each sentence is cited. More than you can say about the rest of the article. Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 09:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Its sarvajna not sarvagna sarvagna

sarvagna - one who destroys everything sarvajna - one who know everything.

By the way I have taken a work of uploading all sarvajna vachanas to internet and translate them into english and few foreign languages.

You can view several vachanas of sarvajna from this link

http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=24074781 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.227.66.68 (talk) 08:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] See this

[14] - Cheers Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 00:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kannada script in Hoysala Infobox

I have had to remove this per reviewer recommendation. Do you know how to reinsert this on top of the box, instead of in the box.? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dineshkannambadi (talk • contribs) 18:55, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Sorry, forgot to sign in.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 18:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

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