Talk:Sandy Koufax

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This Story is Great! It is very inspirative! This is a thousand times better than to see a movie. Martin R. Rodriguez

The Koufax article says his first ML strikeout victim was Thompson. Hank Aaron's article says it was Aaron. I don't know so I cannot fix it. Koufaxfan

Who keeps deleting my fan site http://www.sevastudio.com/sandy ?

I do. It's a site mostly of advertisments with no new content. The other sites listed here are from very reliable sources. No other sites are referenced in the body of the text like you seem to want to do in the opening paragraph. I will continue to delete the links to your site as long as you keep putting them up. Gorrister 20:59, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
I thank you for coming forward, and upon inspection of your profile, I see you are a thoughtful member of the wiki community. However, I object to your deleting of my link in the external links section. Other sites have far more ads and more intrusive ones. I do agree that external links in the body are just bad; i must admit i did it to spite the person that was deleting my links.
If you must put your link in the external link section, then please put it at the bottom, after the official sites. Gorrister 22:48, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

In 1964 Koufax and fellow Dodger pitcher Don Drysdale refused to go to spring training in a dispute over pay. It may be the first successful attempt at bucking the so-called reserve clause, which was eventually struck down in the 1970s, leading to free agency for athletes.

It was 1966 actually, but its now included

It says that Sandy received a scholarship to UC for basketball, but he was actually a walk-on who received a partial scholarship after he tried out.

The Baseball Hall Of Fame describe him as having "attended the University of Cincinnati on a basketball scholarship" : http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/hofer_bios/koufax_sandy.htm

I know it, but according to Jane Leavy's "Koufax: A Lefty's Legacy," he earned a partial scholarship after trying out. Interestingly UC lists as a famous Bearcat, but he never graduated and I think was only there a year.

Ken Burns' "Baseball" says Koufax did not actually like baseball and actually preferred basketball. Trekphiler 17:12, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Opening Change Suggestion

The opening states: "...is a former left-handed pitcher in Major League Baseball..." This to a grammer purist may indicate that he was once a left-handed pitcher, but is no longer (ambidextrous). Perhaps this should be reworded to say, "...is a left-handed pitcher who played in Major League Baseball..." which would preserve his left-handedness, as it's rather important--and one of the reasons he is considered "special."206.156.242.39 13:25, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

"Left-hand former pitcher" sounds weird and awkward. "Former left-hand pitcher" is just fine. Left-hand is modifying "pitcher", not "former". Sandy's still left-handed, but is no longer a pitcher, hence he is no longer a left-hand pitcher. However, that's the least of our worries. Since someone decided to make this a featured article, various morons have been "inspired" to screw around with the article. The "brains" behind this website (pardon the overstatement) should lock an article if they intend to feature it. Wahkeenah 17:26, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
I think "former left-handed pitcher" seems OK; if he was somehow no longer left-handed, I would think "formerly left-handed" might be the way to put it - although that might imply he was still an active pitcher. (If he was actually right-handed, yet only pitched left-handed, this might be even more awkward to phrase.) MisfitToys 19:06, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Maybe Pop Culture Reference Section?

I recall reading/seeing his name crop up frequently in a variety of places. I believe he's also featured in some sports games, although I can't quite remember any specifically. Might be something interesting to add to the article, though.--Deridolus 22:09, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Yom Kipur

Is it really objective to say that Koufax was "rightly" criticized for refusing to play on Yom Kippur? If there are circumstances that would justify this (such as that he did not really sit out because of Yom Kipur, but for some other reason), then they should be mentioned. I hardly think that it is right for anyone to say that a man is rightly criticized if he put his religious obligations before his professional, even if those professional obligations are very great indeed.--Corbmobile

[edit] Version 0.5 Nominations

This article is considered to fall outside the scope of the Version 0.5 test release, since this version only includes a limited number of articles. It is now being held ready for renomination for a later version such as Version 1.0. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 05:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Sandy Koufax: The Baseball Card

I was wondering would any of you know anything about this card and about how much it would be worth? There is no year on the card, but the last date mentioned on the card is 1961 (the year he struck out 269 men). If anyone knows anything let me know. I am User:rivkaRebecca (I'm not logged in). Thanks 209.136.211.32 18:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scholarship at UC

I have found a source saying that he attended UC on a basketball scholarship. However, i'm pretty sure that what was previously there, is actually correct. Here is what i have removed:

Despite his athletic skill and versatility, Koufax started at the in the fall of 1953 without an athletic scholarship. He was a walk-on for the freshman basketball team, and a complete unknown to coach Ed Jucker. After watching him practice, Jucker got him awarded a work-study scholarship.

Since I didn't have a chance to veryify the list of sources now in place, i'm hoping someone can substantiate the above claim and put it back in the article. // Tecmobowl 02:07, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] State of the Article

I'm not really sure how this article ever reached featured status. I'm glad to see some continued work on it but more needs to be done. I also think it should have its' featured status revoked. I started the improvement with the Early life section but i do not think it is up to the standards at this point in time. I'm curious to hear more thoughts. // Tecmobowl 18:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I voted against this article becoming featured for a couple of reasons, most importantly because it was pretty much a precis of the (excellent) Jane Leavy bio. of Koufax. Much of her book comprised running accounts of several of his games, which is why this article has an inordinate number of specific play-by-play descriptions. The article has NOT improved with time, and I don't think it is FA-worthy.Sfahey 19:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree, I think it should be put of for WP:FAR. Vicarious 09:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
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