Talk:Sandra Shine

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Filmography of Sandra Shine:

Why Joe Beaudoin Jr. you deleted the link of DreamingWith.com ??

You give links with IMDB, IAFD, AFDB and EGAFD for full filmography !! People want search full filmography don't find in your links !!

I can accept you support some database !! But when you remove a link purpose a real full filmography, I'm really surprise !!!!!

I work on this filmography always and I can't support guy don't want purpose a link about the true filmography and give poor links !!! I respect your work about pornstars and I can't believe you not in the side of real good information for ALL THE USERS OF WIKI !!!!!!!

If you have really good reason to drop this link explain me !! -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ALLtheTrue (talkcontribs) 14:28, 5 March 2006.

Actually, reviewing the link, it appears to me that the filmography is a result of your own personal research, correct? If so, then that alone may cause some problems when it comes to the fact that we do not use original research and the external links policy.
For reference, I took this snippet from the External links policy (under the links to avoid linking to section):
Any site that contains factually inaccurate material or unverified original research, unless it is the official site of the article's subject or it is a notable proponent of a point of view in an article with multiple points of view. (See WP:RS for further information on this guideline.)
Fact of the matter is this: the IAFD, IMDB, AFDB and EGAFD have been determined to be reliable online sources for filmographies. The dreamingwith.com website has yet to be proven reliable for use on Wikipedia. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 01:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Although I am wary of the site based on Joe's observations of NOR and EL, it does look to be a decent filmography of the actress, albeit with many nude images. Material such as this should definitely be removed. I'm ok with its inclusion, as long as its contents are clearly listed. How about the following? Olessi 17:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

If we are to include the link, would personally go one step further with something along the lines of:
  • DreamingWith Filmography Unofficial fansite Note: Contains media of a pornographic nature and contents which have not been independently verified.
I wouldn't have an issue with its inclusion then. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 18:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

First, I don't understand exactly what you say and sorry for that, my english skill not really good !
I understand for It's only my work about this filmographie and not verified by others !! But my filmography is verified more than IAFD for example, you can see the error of IAFD on the bottom of my listed movies and If I must confirm some movies you find in bottom too !!
All right, I don't want compare my work with the huge websites !!
And for inclusion, I'm ok for all what you want precise, I respect a lot "Contains media of a pornographic nature and contents", for "Unofficial fansite" Fansite in this case is more general, not question of official or unofficial, It's fansite not only about 1 pornstar, but for some others, of course I begin and I must take time (freetime) for purpose really best information about other pornstars !!
Oh, about removing my article, I prefer not cause for me not question of rules of Wiki only, It's not just for me in wiki or others, if I see "For the full filmography, please refer to the External links section." And when you click you don't see a true full filmography, I can think not really serious !!
So, of course Joe you can write (if you have time for that) for explain simply and with objective way the reason to the DW fans with an article on my website, It's a "right of reply " and I post without modify, I prefer that, or of course you can write a comment too !!
Thank you for try explain me and Joe accept my apologize for my article on DW but for me reason "Unencyclopedic link" not really appropriate :], I don't want to say my website is encyclopedic, but I give my link on "External Link" and I'm sure can give a good complement of information for users !!! --ALLtheTrue 20:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

You are strong for delete links Tabercil and Joe but for give any explication you not present !! What's your job ? The link EGAFD excactly not reliable like DreamingWith !! Other things if you want my link is reliable, why work for delete my link ? Verify by yourself the filmography and by this way my filmography is reliable !! People like you can verify too !! Perhaps you are so busy !!! You must know I work on this filmography and I lost a lot of my time for give exact information about that !! You prefer lost your time to delete my link and say not reliable  !! You think really the filmography inside your link make by many peoples ? Totally false !!! I know your links and who make filmography in this website !! You accept this links cause only is big website !! You work for money ?? Not really free Encyclopedia finally !!! Wiki not for people like me passionate by this subject and work together for give a correct information !! You decide who is reliable you have a nice place finally !! I read rules of external links and I don't see my link is bad !! I see my link is good cause I give information not present on this page !! If you want my link is reliable by verify !! People stop to be lame and take your time for verify !! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.231.87.202 (talk) .

So what you are saying is that your list is the result of original research? On that basis alone, it shouldn't be included in WP as it isn't verifiable. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loudWP:PORN BIO? 02:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Is verifiable if you take your time for verify !! Sure your prefer say alone and play with delete ! See your links you can see the same movies inside my list, search in google if you don't find in your links, after that you can see by yourself !! But apparently you more best for delete links not for make others things !! I'm sure if Sandra Shine personally confirm my filmography you say not reliable !! And you know you can ask by yourself, you welcome in forum of sandrashinelive.com and I'm sure about the answer !! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.231.87.202 (talk) .

Olessi, I don't understand what you mean with (Copyedit, add Template:unsourced for Bio section), are you go already in sandrashinelive.com website or your prefer make the sort of boring stuff like you make !! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.231.87.202 (talk) .

Copy editing refers to my efforts to wikify an article and to improve its spelling, layout, and grammar. The "Unsourced" template refers to the fact that the article does not say where its information comes from. Wikipedia articles should be verifiable and have its sources cited. This prevents accusations of original research.
Take a look at the current featured article, Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel. It has an an extensive Notes section for footnotes and an extensive References section citing where the article's information comes from. In comparison, this Sandra Shine article has no references at this time. Some of her biographical information appears to come from her "official bio page", which could be cited. If information comes from her forum, please provide the links for the relevant thread. If you are unsure of how to add the references to the article, you can provide the links on this talk page and I can assist you further.
I don't care if information is "boring"; I care that it is accurate and verifiable. We are trying to make Wikipedia a reputable encyclopedia, not an exciting editorial. Olessi 16:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
All Right, Olessi, thank you for this explanation, I understand more !! And sorry about my correction by this way !! So, I confess I take many times in other ways in this moment, but I hope I can give some links soon for more verifiable and making decent article about amazing Sandra !!ALLtheTrue 07:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)