Talk:San Jose Sharks
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[edit] Nabokov gone?
I've reverted moving Nabakov to the "not to be forgoten" section, as his filing for arbitration this week ensures he will play for the Sharks next season. See [1]. Gentgeen 18:54, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Fact checking, re: Presidents' Trophy
Yes, I know the Sharks' upset of the Red Wings in 1993-94 was the toppling of a giant, but they didn't defeat a President's Trophy winner. Detroit didn't win the President's Trophy that year, the New York Rangers did. Reference: [2] Corrected this little mistake. NeoChaosX 00:49, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Just did several edits to the team history again. This bit of misinformation got on there again, as well as understatements on the Sharks' playoff advances under the Darryl Sutter years that seems to have flown under the radar of a lot of readers of this article. Please, refer to the articles for the seasons and achievements you're talking about to make sure they're accurate! NeoChaosX 05:50, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] List of San Jose Sharks players
I have just made a List of San Jose Sharks players. As of the end of the 2003-04 NHL season, the list is 100% complete. When new players play for the Sharks, it would be a great help to keep that article complete if they were added. Thanks! Masterhatch 16 August 2005
- Did this yesterday, roster is up-to-date as of 16 October 2005. NeoChaosX 05:53, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Preseason record
Does anyone else find the inclusion of comments about the 2005 preseason record of the Sharks silly? This is supposed to be an encyclopedia article, not the booster section of the Sharks' website. Is their won-loss record (so far) in the 2005 preseason genuinely worthy of permanent historical note? I'm minded to strike it. RGTraynor 00:11, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
- I was thinking the same thing... I wasn't around wiki last time the NHL played... Is that normal? I hope not. ccwaters 01:24, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
- I wasn't around wiki then either. I too really hope that that won't become a regular thing. Masterhatch 01:27, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
- Sure, delete it. Pre-season records mean little in the long run anyway. I was going to leave it in until the season started and then delete it. But if you want to delete it now, then by all means go for it. Masterhatch 01:27, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
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- I think the relevance there should be tied to the injury to Scott Parker. The article spends a lot of time discussing minutia of player development and slumps without considering the loss of a player significant. I believe it would be of historical interest to note a career ending injury suffered during a perfect pre-season game. Deleting it is asking for a bunch of stubs.
[edit] "Los Tiburones"?
Alright Mark Purdy, give yourself up.
All kidding aside, who aside from the aformentioned San Jose Mercury News sports editor refer to the team as "Los Tiburones"? Does this necessitate mention in the article? NeoChaosX 00:40, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, I do on occassion, as do a few of my friends. I think its a valid mention because lots of teams have nicknames... the Nucks' the Devs, the Ducks.... (yeah i know the ducks are going to be their official nameafter this year) WSUCanuck 00:05, 2 May 2006 (PDT)?
- Yeah, in the 8+ months that have passed since I made that comment, I've found the nickname has became pretty common among Sharks fans for awhile now. Never knew it was that well known, I guess. NeoChaosX 00:52, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Patrick Marleau
When did the Sharks annouce, they were no longer Rotating the captaincy? When did they name Patrick Marleau permanent captain? Yes, I know Marleau has worn the 'C" since the later-half of the 2003-04 season, but when did the franchise make it offical? Mightberight/wrong 21:28, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
- I'll answer my own question; in the later-half of the 2003-04 season, previous captain Alyn McCauley (with support from the other players), asked Management to end the rotating captaincy and make Marleau (who was nearing the end of his 10-game tenure with the 'C'), the permanent captain. Management complied with the request. GoodDay 15:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Redundancy
The table of information given at the beginning of the article seems to be the same as the info given below the picture. superman 04:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Tom Preissing
What's the story with Preissing? Official sources (nhl.com, nhlpa.com, sjsharks.com) have him listed from Illinois, but media outlets (espn.com, tsn.ca) all say Minnesota. ccwaters 03:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
- Heh, and they're both wrong. The NHL Media Guide says Colorado College, and the Colorado College website thinks they own him too; he's on their list of school All-Americans. RGTraynor 14:05, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
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- Unless you mean in what STATE was he born, and the Media Guide states Minnesota. RGTraynor 14:30, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
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- Illinois doesn't have a hockey team :). Yeah, the discrepancy is place of birth. Some sources list Arlington Heights, Illinois, some sources list Rosemount, Minnesota. Are you looking at the NHL media guide? He's listed as IL at NHL.com, but all the news outlets I listed above should be using the media guide as a source. My guess is that the media guide is in error and that error propagated to espn, tsn, etc, etc. The league, the sharks, the nhlpa are primary sources and listed it correctly? Does that sound feasible? ccwaters 16:59, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Nabakov as a Russian?
This is a very controversial matter, I know, but Evgeni Nabakov was born in what today is now Kazakhstan. The reference to him in the History section as a "Russian goalie" seems somewhat...out of place given how countries have switched around since the fall of the U.S.S.R in 1991. NorseOdin 10:28, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
- Not necessarily. I'm sure that Rod Langway didn't regard himself as Taiwanese merely because (as an Army brat) he was born there. As it happens, Kazakhstan was majority ethnic-Russian, and for all we know Nabakov (which IS a Russian name, after all) was raised in Russia itself. RGTraynor 12:08, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Makes good sense. Thanks for the insight.
Just a note on that though: Owen Nolan was born in Belfast, Ireland, and has largely maintained the combination of "Ireland's (greatest/only) NHL player" with his Canadian identity. Just saying that in some cases (not this one, necessarily) birthplace can have a big impact on their identity. NorseOdin 12:36, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
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- If the guy played for the Russian Olympic team he's Russian.
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It's also important to remember that birth doesn't equal citizenship, in some countries. I'm a fine example of that -- I was born in Hong Kong but I hold Canadian citizenship only. Because of this, it's probably a better idea to use something definitive like international play. Just my two cents; I go by this rule. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 03:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Nabby has played for Kazakhstan many times, though now he's playing for Russia.
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[edit] Sturm scoring #'s
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "Franchise scoring leaders" section should only include goals/assists/points that players accumulated while members of the San Jose Sharks, right? If so, Marco Sturm's numbers appear to be incorrect (they appear to include his Boston stats). --Brianvdb 22:43, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- No. His TOTAL NHL reg season stats as of are 604GM 151G 165A 316P 274PIM ccwaters 01:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mikael Samuelson
"Veteran Adam Graves was acquired for Ulf Samuelsson."
This is incorrect. He was acquired for Mikael Samuelson.
[edit] Season-by-season record
I changed the season-by-season record to conform to those of the other NHL team pages. I realised that the added number of wins, losses, ties and OTLs amount to 1117, despite the team only having played 1116 regular season games. Now, I'm no Sharks fan, so I can't be bothered to find the time to look through the annals of hockey to find the error and correct it. But perhaps someone else is enough of a die-hard Sharks fan to want to do it. JesperLærke 14:02, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Looks like someone added an extra win to the 2005-06 record. Managed to fix it. NeoChaosX 21:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Scott Thornton UFA?
Thornton doesn't become an UFA until JULY 1ST, 2006. Until then Thornton should still be in the 'current roster' section. GoodDay 21:45, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- I've just learned, that the Sharks won't be re-signing Scott Thornton, therefore he's being edited out of the current roster section makes sense. GoodDay 22:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 2005-06 season summary cleanup
Okay, just noticed the article is 32 kb, which apparently rather large for a Wiki article. The obvious offender in terms of size is the summary of the past season, which is larger than the rest of the History section combined! The fact that the playoff results take up more than half that subsection is pretty bad as well. I'm thinking a clean up is necessary for that section.
I'd start by reducing the playoff summary; we don't need a game-by-game description of both playoff series, and any attention to the anthem-booing incident during the Edmonton series seems to have passed. Additionally, listing each and every player transaction through out the season is too much; mention of just the Thornton and Nieminen trades will probably suffice, IMO. Anybody else agree, disagree or got other suggestions on what to cut? --NeoChaosX 01:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Patrick Traverse
Where is Patrick Traverse in the Shark's current roster? Is he as of right now assigned to the Worcester Sharks or is he just missing from the current roster? If he is he should be added.
Same with Scott Ferguson. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sarcastic Pillow (talk • contribs).
- Yeah, I'm certain that when their signings were announced, it was assumed they'd both be playing Worcester, not San Jose. —NeoChaosX (talk | contribs) 02:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
== Sharks rotating captaincy == Just looking for Users views. Should the Sharks captains (During the Sharks rotating captaincy through the first-half of the 2003-04 season), be listed in the Sharks captains section? I believe it should be, as is the case in the Sabres & Wild articles. GoodDay 20:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Thefeeder.com inclusion?
What's the rationale behind including Thefeeder.com, but not other fan sites, on this page? I figure that if one is included, other users are going to want THEIR fan site included. Thus, why Thefeeder and not others? Andy Saunders 22:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
- From what I know of The Feeder and the local San Jose and Edmonton media, The Feeder is the only fansite which has received media attention from both television and newspapers in San Jose. It also was the subject of a few articles out of Edmonton during their playoff series last year. Whether that is grounds for inclusion is up in the air, but it seems more notable than some of the fansites users have been adding recently. Tachyon01 00:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Not a demerger of Stars/Barons
This morning, I read the Gil Stein source cited as the reference for the Sharks being a demerged Oakland Seals/Cleveland Barons franchise. It doesn't say that at all (ch 6, "The Noon Baloon to Saskatoon", p 116-137 in the copy at the Library of Congress). It says the Sharks are a new expansion franchise offered to the Gunds as a compromise to keep them from moving the North Stars to San Jose, and the Baldwin group originally looking for an SJ expansion franchise got the North Stars (before flipping them to Norman Green less than a year later). Which is what everybody else has said all along. VT hawkeyetalk to me 00:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
