Talk:Samoyed (dog)

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This page seems rather long on praise and short on useful description... KJ

Contents 1 Pronounciation of "Samoyed" 2 Length of nose 3 Laika as a famous Samoyed? 4 Tails

[edit] Pronounciation of "Samoyed"

From what i have seen in some of my reserch on Samoyeds is that there are two different, correct pronounciations for it depending on the breeder/area.

What i have found is that it is pronounced both "sam-oy-ed" and "sam-ey-ed" Has anyone else noticed this or is my source incorrect? if not, should it be included in the article? Ta Tekana 22:27, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

I haven't heard the 2nd variety, but I haven't been around this breed or its owners much at all, so I can't confirm or deny it. Sometimes listening to the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show on TV, where the official announcer (not the TV commentators) states the breed name, helps to get the name's pronunciation right. Elf | Talk 14:00, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I personally, have always pronounced it "sam-ey-ed". I was just flicking through the net earlier and I discovered a website that claim there are several different pronounciations [1]. But according to [2] neither yours nor mine is correct. There, it is pronounced "sam-a-yed" BUT further reserch [3] again claim "sam-oy-ed" is correct. Then just to confuse matters even more [4] stated "sam-ey-ed" but "sam-oy-ed" is an acceptable varient. My head is beginning to spin here, your thoughts? Tekana (O.o) Talk 18:21, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Pronounce it with short "o", sa-mo-yed. In fact the word "Samoyed" means "self-eater", canibal in Russian language. Russians used to call Nenets people in this way. The dog's name is an abbreviation of "Samoyedskaya sobaka" what means "Samoyeds' dog". PrzemekL 20:25, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Length of nose

I have seen a fairly large number of samoyeds, and the appear to fall roughly into two groups: those with shorter noses and chow like faces, and those with longer noses whose face shape vaguely resembles a huskey.

Is this a formal property of the breed? Cdyson37 08:29, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't see such a thing in my books on breeds or in the breed standards. The Chow has a much scrunchier, thicker muzzle than any Samoyeds I've seen (although I haven't seen a lot and I do rely on photos in breed books & web sites). There are 2 breeds that are usually all white but smaller than the Samoyed--American Eskimo Dog and Japanese Spitz--whose muzzles are a bit pointier than the S; could you have been seeing these? Elf | Talk 14:00, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Definately samoyeds. Maybe there are just samoyeds out there with different length noses. Cdyson37 21:51, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

There's definitely a wide variety in the nose length in this breed. I've had numerous Samoyeds and Siberian Huskies, and they both range from shortish sized muzzles to long. I have two purebred Samoyeds right now, and one's muzzle is approximately 1" shorter than the other. That's just a standard variation I'd guess. Phrique 15:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The contemporary Samoyed is a descendant of Nenets' sled dog. He was a little bigger and had visibly longer nose. Probably dogs in this type are still alive on the Yamal Peninsula. Look at the pictures here: Aboriginal Samoyed Dogs of the Yamal Penisula. There are several great articles on this topic here: Russian Branch of Primitive Aboriginal Dogs Society (but this site is temporairly unaviable now, try later). After a limited number of Samoyeds were imported to Europe shortly there were kept eight different bloodlines in kennels. It was possible to distinguish three different types of head, called: the bear type, the fox type and the wolf type. The rest depends on a way they were breeded and selected for reproduction. It's a matter of fashion but many of referees on dog shows prefer Samoyeds with short noses. PrzemekL 20:25, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Laika as a famous Samoyed?

Look at the pictures of Laika. Do you really find something similliar to Samoyed in her appearance? She was weighing 6 kg (13 lb). Her nose was long and narrow. She was neither white. The article says: "She was found as a stray wandering the streets of Moscow." Who can know what was her origin? My suggestion is to remove information about Laika as a famous Samoyed. Greetings! PrzemekL 07:46, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I added some real famous Samoyeds. I agree with you about Laika as a famous Samoyed. I think that claim is dubious at best. Phrique 15:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tails

While the curled-back tail is descriptive of the pedigree/dog-show calibre samoyed, I do know that there are a few that have tails that just hang down like most other dog breeds (and yes, they were purebred). Is it typical to describe the pedigree only or to mention such variations in the article? Confusing Manifestation 17:15, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I prefer to mention such variations in the article because it shows that even purebred dogs have great variation and are not all show-quality dogs. Many dog breed articles mention such variants (and point out something along the lines of being not show-quality). Elf | Talk 18:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

In which case I guess I'll be bold. Confusing Manifestation 18:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)