Talk:Same-sex marriage in the Netherlands

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This page needs more info on HOW exactly the gay marriages became legal. Was it a decision of parliament? If so, how did the vote go? Or was it a court decision? user:J.J.

   It was done by Parliament after the Government proposed the bill. It got large majorities in both houses of
   Parliament - I added these things in the article under the 'Marriage' section. -Thorin

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Also some information about other churches in the Netherlands has to be found, I assume the Catholics will not bless same-sex marriage, but perhaps the 'Oud-Katholieken' [1] do? Furthermore I assume some Protestant churches that do not belong to the Protestant Church of the Netherlands also won't bless a same-sex marriage. So, we need information about these groups too if possible.

[edit] Same-sex marriage illegal for Dutch Royals?

If I remeber correct, there is a third restriction, namely members of the Dutch royal family/The Crown Prince(ss) cannot have a same-sex marriage, unless he/she abadones his/her right to the throne.

Where does it say that? Are there any gay Dutch royals? Spinboy 18:41, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

There no (openly)Gay Dutch royals, but I thought they added such a ristriction to prevent possible future marriages.

I read something like that as well, but neither the Civil Code or Constitution mention that homosexual members of the Royal House cannot marry someone of the same sex. However, the Constitution prescribes that every royal who is eligible for the throne and wants to marry someone, must get permission from Parliament to marry that person. If not, the prince(ss) automatically loses the right to ascend the throne. So hypothetically speaking, Parliament could give permission to a gay crown prince to marry his lover, and indirectly to have a gay king and a gay prince-consort... Thorin 23:54, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Legality in the rest of the EU?

Are gay marriages performed in the Netherlands (as well as Belgium) legally recognized throughout the rest of the European Union?--Wasabe3543 16:21, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Probably not, but that's probably up for the courts to decide. --Spinboy 16:34, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The dominant legal doctrine in all other nations considers these marriages to be absolutely void, in that they have no direct legal consequence whatsoever, though of course the factuality of a marriage would be taken into account whenever a law allows the court to decide an issue using its own discretion. However a court would often be obliged by its own legal system to apply Dutch or Belgian law when Dutch or Belgian citizens are involved in matters of family law. In those countries which have themselves a system of "partnership", the obvious course for a court would be to rule that a Belgian or Dutch gay marriage is covalent to such a partnership.

--MWAK 16:11, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)