Talk:Samael Aun Weor
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VM Samael founded various organisations. And these organisations split etc. etc. This has been discussed too many times. Also, it seems as if the various organisations are adding themselves and deleting others on the page etc. etc. Instead I propose that, in fairness, we have all or nothing. So I have removed the line "He founded the non-profit corporation, Gnostic Institute of Anthropology, Inc."
Please rather than everyone just changing this backwards and forwards could we at least post some discussion and sort it out properly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.222.159.54 (talk • contribs).
- Please do not remove any information from the article. That is considered to be vandalism. If anyone wants to add information to the article, they simply need to provide a reference and citation for the information. If that is possible, the information can be added. If it is not, the information cannot be added. I personally have nothing to do with this individual or their organization(s). I personally added that particular piece of information, because that was the only citable organization I could find a reference for. I neither know nor care whether there are others, but to take it out even before discussing on the talk page is not a correct way to proceed. I highly recommend that you create an account and sign your messages if you wish to be taken seriously. At this time, the organization listed appears to be the only one notable to have an article on WP. Please review WP notability policy and make sure any organizations you intend to add meet WP notability and verifiability policies. I.e. commit to learn the rules of the place you are in before presuming to dictate to other editors by removing text from the article. —Hanuman Das 05:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
OK. sorry about that... You are right. Sorry I did not discuss first, it was discussed in older versions of this page where every day the list of links would change as each of the movements squabbled. Earlier I tried to add 'The Gnostic Movement' and 'POSCLA' as these were actually founded by Samael Aun Weor to this page and they were removed. I did not realise that they would need citations...
Either way, the statement is incorrect as Samael did not found the GIA. It was created after he died as a certain offshoot of his movement. Even the GIA UK site states "Together with his wife Litelantes, he founded the International Gnostic Movement in the 1950's". So this should be corrected. -B.Jensen (IP address is an internet cafe)
- Just going from what the site says, which is acceptable. An "according to the website" could be added. As for The Gnostic Movement, their site clearly states that they were founded in 1999 by Beelzebub. I'm not sure what POSCLA is, but if you can find a citation it can be mentioned. It is notable enough for its own article?
- In any case, WP policy requires citations. I find this is the best way to keep competing orgs from changing the article back and forth, back and forth. :-) —Hanuman Das 13:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, POSCLA was a political party, probably not worth its own article. Both Samael and Mark Pritchard started organisations called 'The Gnostic Movement' which is confusing because Mark Pritchard (VM Belzebuub) was a disciple of Joaquin E. Amortegui (VM Rabolu), disciple of Samael. I think there used to be an article here called 'The Gnostic Movement' which defined the two. I just noticed that the AGEAC, Gnostic Movement and POSCLA are all mentioned later on in the article anyways. Well this is a good learning process for me, so thanks for your information -B.Jensen
- The article is completely bias. I think the article needs a section where the theories and life could be better analyzed. There are things lacking as the misogyny views on woman, the anti-gay postures of SAW, and such… The articles of LaVey and Crowley are better balanced where they try to illustrate the good and the bad.
To help remedy this I propose to add this site www.sos-gnosis.org. A site dedicated to help the survivors of the Latin-American gnosis. It is well researched, and published by former members of the Latin-American Gnostics, they even have the origin of rituals and explanation of them. Before anyone raises any objection I like to use a precedent in WP. In the Scientology article in the external links section there are sites of detractors of the Church of Scientology. The article of SAW should have the same.
Also I will research further and add a section to this article regarding the anti-gay, misogynic and intolerant views of SAW.
