Talk:Sam Houston
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Can we get this moved back to Sam Houston? Samuel was his legal name, and belongs in the first line, but nobody ever called him that. - Hephaestos 10:59 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)
Does anyone, especially the author, have any documentation for the persistent myth that Texas has the ability to revert to an independent nation? While it is true that the state could have been sub-divided into Five states, there is no mention of reverting to an independent nation in the "Joint Resolution for Annexing Texas to the United States" which was the controlling document. You can see the original at=> http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ref/abouttx/annexation/march1845.html Jim - May 28, 2004
- I've always tended to think Texas would have made use of such a clause in seceding in the 1860s rather than join the Confederacy if it had actually been the case. So I never really delved into whether it was true or not (since I always assumed it was not). Although it may have been something negotiated by Houston and changed shortly afterward. - Hephaestos|§ 23:50, 28 May 2004 (UTC)
- Texas was torn by the Civil War like other states were. Houston did mention early in 1863 to two of his friends, Eber Cave and Alenxander Terrell, the idea of calling home all Texas soldiers and reverting to an independent nation. Both men suggested that no one speak of this idea again and even Houston's image could save his life if such a suggestion leaked out.-[TLincoln]]
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[edit] Senator
Houston was a Senator from Texas. Someone just changed the succession box to read "Class 2" Senator or something. What does that mean? I'd change it back, but on the off-chance that it's legit, I'll leave it for now. --Myles Long 15:49, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
- Each state has two senators, "Class 1" and "Class 2". The classes don't mean anything other than when the office is up for election -- Nik42 03:24, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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- There are three classes (1, 2 and 3) to reflect the fact that a third of the Senate demits every second year. The original senators were divided into three classes (balanced by region and with no state having both senators in the same class) and lots drawn to determine which class would vacate after 2 years, which after 4 and which after 6, so as to allow the current staggered elections to six-year terms. Each new state on admission has its senators allocated to two of the classes. (Incidentally, each state's two senators are referred to either as "senior" or "junior", the former being the one whose continuous service predates the other's)139.149.1.211 15:49, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] National leader
I would suspect, though I don't know for sure, that Sam Houston was also the only person in American history to have served as both a governor and the leader of a foreign (as it was at the time) nation. -- Nik42 03:26, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Houston's party
On Kinky Friedman's website, he says he is an independent, "which is the party of George Washington, Teddy Roosevelt, Sam Houston, and Davy Crockett."
On List of Governors of Texas, Houston is listed as a Democrat. Can anyone resolve this?
Ieverhart 03:52, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
- Perhaps Friedman was refering to Houston's appearing on the ballot of the Constitutional Union Party in the 6 November 1860 presidential election. That is all that I am aware of.
~TLincoln 19 May 2006
- Seeing as how Crockett and Houston were Jackson Democrats, Roosevelt a Republican, and Washington a Federalist, I assume he's talking about their actions, as in they didn't do what the party told them to do but did what was needed. Otherwise, Kinky's just name dropping, hoping no one would notice. 03:59, 22 July 2006
[edit] Pictures Available
Yesterday I took pictures of the Sam Houston Statue outside of Huntsville. If anyone wishes to use these pictures for the article I will declare them public domain. They are 2592x1944 at full size, selectable at the bottom. p1260440.jpg and p1260446.jpg are probably the best candidates for use. I will crop or resize if requested.
pecosdave 09:52, 27 January 2006 (CST)
Saying that His statue is the biggest of an american hero in the world is just trying to make it seem very important. "Biggest Satue of an American Hero" The title says it American, why would other countries have a statue of another country's hero. That just seems stupid. It would be like saying "Germany has the highest number of Germans in the world" Duhhh! Of course stupid!
[edit] Governor of two states
While Houston may have been the only person to be governor of two states (and if so that's technically correct), I wonder if we might want to footnote it that there is at least one other person that was the governor of one state, and later the governer of a "state territory". William A. Newell is indeed listed as Governor of New Jersey and Governor of Washington Territory. -- Sholom 14:14, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
- Well, a state and a territory are two different things. There really is no need for this article to mention Newell. --JW1805 (Talk) 16:55, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Page Moved
There are actually two historical Sam Houstons. The much more ntoable Texan and the less known but stil notable Mainer who was a bodyguard to George Washington and is in the Washington Crossing the Delaware painting. As such, I have moved Same Houston to this page and made the original page a disambig page so people can find both and learn something along the way. Hope that's OK. Just tryign to be bold. :) Gator (talk) 21:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Per some good advice, I've put this back witha disambig link and kept the page here. I think this is MUCH better. I'll delete the Sam Houston (Texas) page.Gator (talk) 13:47, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sam Houston National Forest
I see no mention of the national forest that carries his namesake. Mention of this needs to go into the article, and perhaps an article be made about the SHNF...
[edit] Good Article Nomination
This is a great article, and I almost confirmed it for good article status, but couldn't. The biggest failure of this article is that is contains no inline references, which are mandatory, especially for quotes and really specific tidbits of info. If someone could address this issue, I think it would be worthy of GA status.--Esprit15d 19:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- I will try to work on this. Most of the quotes I added I got from Haley's book. --JW1805 (Talk) 18:25, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
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- The last person to have commented (Phaedriel) appears to have forgotten to put in the failed nomination template. Then someone on the same day (13th May) promoted the article and slapped on the GA template rather than fixing the error! This is not in conformance with our nomination process. I have delisted the GA status due to reasons stated originally by Esprit15d. With a major article such as this, I would recommend not only the citation of quotes, but also contentious facts should be gathered and cited to avoid any challenges and make the article in conformance to WP:V. RelHistBuff 10:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Faith
Nothing about his faith is mentioned in here. Was that purposefully left out? (It is a topic often heavily debated in articles on other figures) I'm not touching this article without anyone else's consent (it's far too pretty). Colonel Marksman 23:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
