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[edit] Request to Merge Article

Based on discussions in the Saltire and Saint Andrew's Cross articles, I request that Saint Patrick's Flag be merged into wherever those two articles eventually become merged into. I propose a new article entitled Saltire Cross; encompassing the heraldic design and origin of the Saltire (also called the St. Andrew's Cross and St. Patrick's Cross), and the design's use on flags such as those of both Scotland and Ireland. This would consolidate similar information, expand overall information on the same subject (the saltire), eliminate confusion, and make things more user-friendly. Thanks! --Dulcimerist 18:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Merge is complete. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 12:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Amsterdam Flag

Is this the same type of cross that appears on the flag and herald of Amsterdam? There should be a cross-reference, if so.

Yes, this design appears in triplicate on the flag of Amsterdam, and could be referred to in the article merger proposed above. --Dulcimerist 18:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Um, I've already added a mention of Amsterdam to the article. —Tamfang 06:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] St. Julian's Cross

Would there be much point in describing this saltire variation? Although I don't know who St. Julian was, this heraldic design is the Cross Crosslet Saltire. --Dulcimerist 05:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Saltire" vs. "The Saltire"

It seems as though there's some confusion over the use of saltire in the heraldic sense, and the Flag of Scotland (sometimes referred to as "The Saltire"). Is it proper to call Scotland's flag "The Saltire," when so many other flags - Saint Patrick's Flag, Confederate Battle Flag, Cross of Burgundy Flag - likewise display a prominant saltire? Is there a way we might be able to avoid an "edit war" between the saltire and Flag of Scotland articles? --Dulcimerist 00:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I see no sign of an edit war. Mais oui! and I have a disagreement over the interpretation of WP:DAB. I will leave his top note in place but we can discuss further on this talk page. Both articles have been around a long time without causing any fuss. I don't think there is such a thing as proper, just common usage, and it is common for Scottish people to refer to their flag as The Saltire. I don't know if Burgundians or Alabamans use the same expression for their saltires, but if they do, someone will tell us. Both articles educate readers about the Flag of Scotland without, in my opinion, confusing readers.
If people want to edit war, they will find anything to war about. If people want to have an enjoyable hobby editing an encyclopedia, then they will eventually find a way to work together. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good enough. I was simply concerned that an edit war might break out, but you're more familiar with the histories of these articles than I am.  ;) I agree with what you've typed. --Dulcimerist 04:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The sex thing

Does it really need to be there? It seems sort of tasteless. The main article is sort of a sordid heraldry thing, and then there's this hardcore sex tool thrown in for jollies. I recommend it be put into a seperate article, and maybe put a disambig on top. --Pewpewlazers 01:59, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

The BDSM saltire used to have its own article, although it was really too short. Someone proposed the merger on September 14, and a few weeks later, after no objections were received, I merged it with Saltire. The word saltire is not ambiguous, so does not need disambiguation—the sex thing is just a type of saltire, just as the railway and road signage is. If it ever gets its own article again, it still deserves a mention here, not a disambiguation. The photo has no nudity, so it is not usual to call it hardcore. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 16:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
It just seems sort of... weird. I'm not offended or anything, but just because it's a homonym and only really distantly related, doesn't mean it should be on the same page. It's better to leave it as a stub on another page and have a link at the top of the page for people who are looking for that sort of thing.--Pewpewlazers 22:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
The stub would have to repeat the legend about Saint Andrew, which arguably lowers the taste even further. Here it avoids repetition. It is not a homonym: like all other saltires, it is so-called because of its shape. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] gallery

I really don't see the need for a five image gallery on this page. Most of the images can be worked into the page structure, and a few are just superfluous. Thoughts? -- nae'blis 17:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Please work them into the article structure. I put them there because (a) I like galleries (b) it was a quick way to find a home for short bits of encyclopedic info that were cluttering the flow of prose. Which ones do you think are superfluous? Scottish Red Ensign can go if you like; there are already several Scottish flags on the page. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 10:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Why did you remove the crossed swords? You say it is 'a bit of a stretch', but it seems a reasonable example of having elements in saltire. I found it by browsing "What links here". All the other images are of saltire crosses, so by all means propose another in saltire example in its place. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 22:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Re-added it, per your suggestion. I think the amount of pictures are overwhelming the text in this article, but I did what I thought reasonable to shrink them/reorganize them a bit. I'm still not real happy with the TOC/St. Alba/in saltire mash-up at the top of the page... -- nae'blis
"the amount of pictures are overwhelming the text"- it seems to be a visual topic, which is why I proposed the gallery. I agree- you did a reasonable, in fact good job, of reorganising. Nothing mashes up on my screen after your changes - I expect you have a different window shape and font size. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 22:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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