Talk:Sagging (fashion)
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[edit] Problems with Article: Out of Youth Fashion for the last 5 or so years
Actually, in San Francisco anyway, it is still fairly widespread. Looks like they're walking around with a heavy load in their dirty diapers. --Fluffbrain 16:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Sagging is a Male Fashion Statement - Women don't sag their pants, why oh why is someone saying they do - when they don't.
Sagging is incredibly dated. And maybe 10 years ago it was a universal fashion trend among young men (such as in Clueless) it's a fashion style primarily being worn today by youths who consider themselves either "ballers" or "gangstas." It is no longer associated with skating or punk music. As all those styles have gone for the more retro 70's looking tighter jeans and tighter smaller shirts as well as the longer hair.
There are two big problems I have with this article. It doesn't really give a rhyme or reason as to why or how this trend started. 1990's male fashion was very much about redefying what it meant to be a man and or masculine. And so we saw throughout the decade mens underwear, swimwear, and casual wear become longer and baggier while women's wear continued to stay smaller and tighter. This is a very fascinating subject in itself. But besides that, the biggest problem that I have with the article is that it makes the assumption that fashion has not changed from the 1990s to this current decade. And that's just false. Sagging pants are the bell bottom equivalent of the 90's. And with the exeption of a few teen subcultures that seek to emulate the "pimp" or "gangsta" culture, it is pretty outdated. At least on the coasts.
[edit] How to maintain sagging trousers from falling
Someone should add an entry discussing how people maintain their pants in the sagging state as opposed to falling or fallen. I don't have that information, otherwise I would.
- That falls under wearing of a belt that's tight, which is already in the article. --Signed and Sealed, JJJJust (T C) 06:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Belt across public area?
Well, what's not clear to me is the usage of the belt in maintaining the sagging fashion. It would seem to me that in order to wear the pants so low, the belt would have to go across the public area (groin) which certainly can't be that comfortable! It must be irritating! Any comments? -CH
- Above the genetalia, and the belt not tied tight is what is seen. Iolakana•T 17:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Anti-sagging laws??
This can't be true. Someone reference this?
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/cop/entries/2005/09/23/the_lowdown_on.html
This article exists but it was a joke.
[edit] Prison Sagging
The snopes reference link debunked the prison origin. Why was it added back in? Not An IP 02:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually, it confirmed the prison origin (read it again). It only debunked the sexual-availability-in-prison component. --Fluffbrain 16:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Male/Female Sagging
Can we come to some kind of consensus on the Male/Female sagging issue and stop the revert war currently going on? Not An IP 12:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Well as far as I am aware and concerned, only Males sag their pants, not girls there is nothing on the internet about females and I can't even find a valid source.
- The previous comment was "signed" by me but I did not post it.Not An IP 04:33, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I am 46 years old. I live in San Francisco. I have NEVER seen a woman "sagging."
Also, it's up to y'all sagging enthusiasts, but one of the External Links, "Saggerworld," seems to be a non-pornographic photo site for gay men who lust after "sagging" young guys. --Fluffbrain 16:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Attention: "Not an IP":
Snopes does NOT debunk prison origin (see above). A quote from the Snopes page: "Origins: The practice, which did begin in prisons, worked its way from the hoosegow into hip hop culture. It was adopted by a variety of rap artists, such as Ice-T and Too Short, which enhanced its perceived tough-guy cachet." I myself don't really care, as I think it is a repulsive "fashion" statement, and I'm not sure why I even looked at this page, but if you want to be accurate about this, you might try READING the Snopes page (or at least the relevant quotation from it, above). --Fluffbrain 04:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Swim shorts ?
Does anyone know whether guys sagg with swim shorts, too? I´ve seen people in swim shorts wearing underwear underneath. You can see it more often in swimmingpools. Can anyone tell about it. -- User:Wolle 14:36, 17 October 2006 (212.7.174.107 12:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC))
[edit] origins of sagging...maybe
When i was a child growing up in oakland, CA all the OGs would say that "back in the day" the only reasons someone would sag was A) if they didn't have a belt. B) because they were wearing hand-me-down pants that were too small to be worn normally without either "flooding" or chafing thus they would be sagged for comfort and aethetic. Or C) because the sagger was either some sort of addict or were living some other lifestyle that might diminish someone's sence of self-respect to the degree that they simply wouldn't bother to pull up thier pants all the way. Furthermore sagging wasn't a desirable condition, it was seen as tacky or, as one might say these days, anyone sagging was considered a "scrub".
like a lot of trends and fashions sagging was originally done for the sake of utility but over time became associated with a certain status (i.e. thug life!). the following generations then adopted this meme for the status rather than the utility. even further down the line the previous suppositions about status are lost as the fashion leaks into other subcultures and thus becomes a trend in the mainstream.
This is what I think anyway... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Emotionmachine (talk • contribs) 00:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] More Pics
Couldn't we like have more pics of saggers? --Anonymous
