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[edit] Programmes on S4C
I have now added several links from the S4C article to articles (which I have written) about notable programmes on S4C. Could someone add to them? Would it be an idea that I translated them into Welsh as well? Here are the articles:
WHO GOT RID OF THE S4C CLOSEDOWN SCREEN ARTICLE? Please respond!!! (Cepb 13:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC))
[edit] Programming
The infobox says:
- Terrestrial Analogue: Usually channel 4 (Wales only)
But this can't possibly be true, since use of channel 4 ended with the termination of VHF television broadcasting in the UK, and in any case the actual channel 4 (as opposed to Channel 4 and S4C) would have been 405-line BBC1 service. What I think the author means to say is "usually television receivers are programmed to identify this service with the number 4" since most UK receivers do not identify the actual channels on which stations are received. If I understand the UK national bandplan correctly, however, it should be possible to identify a specific set of analogue broadcast channels on which the S4C service is transmitted. 18.26.0.18 14:36, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- You're correct to say that tv receivers are normally programmed to identify the service with the number 4. The actual UHF channels used in the Wales and West of England transmitter region can be found here, but as you can see, the number of repeater transmitters makes it wholly impractical (and pointless) to list in Wikipedia. -- Arwel 17:42, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- But nearly all of those repeaters are flea-power fill-in transmitters; there appear from that list to be only three or four "primary" stations operating with a meaningful ERP (for UHF we can arbitrarily define that as being more than 50 kW peak ERP). To consider a similar situation from a country I know more about, one could write, "CBC Montreal broadcasts on CBMT, channel 6 in Montreal, on CBVE-TV, channel 5 in Quebec City, both with 100 kW peak ERP, and a network of more than 50 rebroadcasters in Quebec and three in northern Manitoba." In the UK, since almost all transmitter facilities are shared by all the terrestrial broadcasters, it probably makes more sense to simply link to a list of the principal transmitter sites, with the services they carry, rather than repeating this information in multiple articles. (There's a guy in SE England, whose name I don't remember, who has a huge Web site with photos of all the important facilities in the UK; he might be persuaded to allow reuse of some of his content here.) 18.26.0.18 04:30, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Those repeaters are important! My childhood home was only six or seven miles from the main transmitter at Moel-y-Parc, but thanks to badly-sited mountains it was absolutely useless to us even in the days of VHF television broadcasts - BBC Wales on channel 6 and TWW on channel 11, I think, were absolutely unwatchable through the snowstorm. We used to watch BBC North, Leeds, on channel 2 and Granada TV, Manchester, on channel 9 so I grew up knowing a lot more about north west England and Yorkshire local news than I did about what was happening in Wales! It wasn't until the Llanarmon-yn-Ial retransmitter opened in the late 1970s that we could get UHF, including BBC2 and later S4C, that made it worthwhile for us to get a colour tv (and I was about ready to leave home then, anyway!). See the HHG website under "The Seventies" to see what happened when HTV had to list its transmitters when the station opened up each day. -- Arwel 12:43, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Well, that's little different from what (to use my example) CBMT used to do (it took five minutes to do the whole thing, from "A tradition in broadcasting, we are CBC Television Montreal 6, proudly serving the province of Quebec" to "Good morning, and welcome to another broadcast day.") In any event, this rather obscures my main point, which is that the "analogue terrestrial" row in the infobox is misleading, and should probably just point to a central article about the UK TV bandplan. 18.26.0.18 22:41, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Those repeaters are important! My childhood home was only six or seven miles from the main transmitter at Moel-y-Parc, but thanks to badly-sited mountains it was absolutely useless to us even in the days of VHF television broadcasts - BBC Wales on channel 6 and TWW on channel 11, I think, were absolutely unwatchable through the snowstorm. We used to watch BBC North, Leeds, on channel 2 and Granada TV, Manchester, on channel 9 so I grew up knowing a lot more about north west England and Yorkshire local news than I did about what was happening in Wales! It wasn't until the Llanarmon-yn-Ial retransmitter opened in the late 1970s that we could get UHF, including BBC2 and later S4C, that made it worthwhile for us to get a colour tv (and I was about ready to leave home then, anyway!). See the HHG website under "The Seventies" to see what happened when HTV had to list its transmitters when the station opened up each day. -- Arwel 12:43, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- But nearly all of those repeaters are flea-power fill-in transmitters; there appear from that list to be only three or four "primary" stations operating with a meaningful ERP (for UHF we can arbitrarily define that as being more than 50 kW peak ERP). To consider a similar situation from a country I know more about, one could write, "CBC Montreal broadcasts on CBMT, channel 6 in Montreal, on CBVE-TV, channel 5 in Quebec City, both with 100 kW peak ERP, and a network of more than 50 rebroadcasters in Quebec and three in northern Manitoba." In the UK, since almost all transmitter facilities are shared by all the terrestrial broadcasters, it probably makes more sense to simply link to a list of the principal transmitter sites, with the services they carry, rather than repeating this information in multiple articles. (There's a guy in SE England, whose name I don't remember, who has a huge Web site with photos of all the important facilities in the UK; he might be persuaded to allow reuse of some of his content here.) 18.26.0.18 04:30, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] A choice on S4C2?
I am surprised to read about S4C-2 that "It has two audio feeds, allowing viewers to select between an untranslated version and an English-only version where all Welsh spoken is translated into English." I never get a choice! I remember when I first saw it, when people spoke Welsh, they were drowned out by the translation. But just recently, I noticed that the Welsh was no longer being translated. Some time between the two events we gave up on Sky or NTL or whatever we had and dropped back to Freeview. I don't know whether that is related? --Telsa 09:47, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
- Really? I'll have to check it out again - I gave up watching S4C2 because the forced dub into English made me want to kill kittens. I seem to remember the Welsh speeches on the Senedd opening day were all dubbed into English on S4C too. (This was on Sky) Vashti 16:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- I watched parts of the opening day thing on S4C-2 (via Freeview still, we haven't missed NTL or Sky or whatever it was). Welsh (what little there was: part of the poem, and some croesos in speeches was it, really) wasn't dubbed into English, and English wasn't dubbed into Welsh. Whenever I channel-hop and get the assembly coverage, I get English at the moment, though, so I can't confirm that this is still going on. Telsa (talk) 17:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Contradictory!
S4C does not produce programmes of its own; instead, it commissions programmes in Welsh from the BBC and independent producers (although the quantity purchased from HTV has greatly reduced since the early years of S4C), and it has particularly developed a reputation for producing cartoons
So does it produce its own cartoons or has it just developed a reputation for commissioning good cartoons? garik 12:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Garik, thanks for that. You point out something even I had missed. Sianel Pedwar Cymru does not produce any in house material at all. It is a commissioning broadcaster, and only commissions cartoons from other sources. I will make sure that the main article is corrected, and I thank you for bringing this to our attention. Thor Malmjursson 13:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Thor's multilingual talk page
[edit] The selection of notable programmes
We seem to have acquired a section of "notable programmes" with their own pages, and a section of "English-language programmes shown on S4C analogue". Why? Why on earth do we need the second, and what are the criteria for either? Ok, I grant Pobol y Cwm, but an entire article on the S4C Closedown Screen? Hip neu Sgip?? O Na! Y Morgans!? Can we hammer out some criteria for these? At the moment they're a bit arbitrary -- where is Cefn Gwlad, for example, or any of the arts programmes? I was tempted to add them, but at this rate we'll be including the entire contemporary schedule (and there are surely some older programmes that might have a claim to fame), and I think some sanity is called for.
My first thoughts were: either high viewing figures within Wales (Pobol y Cwm); or award-winning (films, some of the cartoons); or they are particular to Wales. (Almost every channel in the world carries football, for example, but how many channels show the trotting?)
Even after they are mentioned on this article, do these all need their own articles? Almost all of the articles created so far need a lot of clean-up for a variety of reasons. (Help needed there, I think.)
Telsa (talk) 15:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
- I've gone through and snipped a lot of them. While TV series are inherently notable, I agree that in order to be listed here programmes should have distinguished themselves in some other way. I've also had a go at the children's TV list, but since I don't watch children's TV I may have cut things that are very notable - please put them back if I have! I also feel that since we're talking about Welsh-language broadcasting, programmes should be listed by their Welsh names, which are also usually the original broadcast names, and I've done the best I can to achieve this. I also cut the Channel 4 programming list, as especially with the advent of digital TV this is becoming less and less relevant, and Channel 4 covers this topic in excruciating detail. Vashti 22:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Tipit - Notable?
I don't know much about S4C, except for watching it whilst there on holiday!!! However, in the listed: "Pobol y Cwm," "Dechrau Canu, Dechrau Canmol" and of course "Tipit" - are three different programmes, a soap, a religious program and a game show respectively, meaning there is some notability in it being that it is one of the only game shows broadcast in Welsh. Richard n 21:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
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- As the person who added it, my rationale was that if it was notable enough to have a Wikipedia entry, then it might as well go on the list. Remove it if you want, I'm beyond caring. --Q4
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- The thing is that many TV programmes have Wikipedia pages, as they are all notable. However, they are *not* all notable beyond that, at a level that merits them being listed on the page with the channels that broadcast them - imagine what most TV channel pages would look like if that were the case! Vashti 20:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Is it also possible therefore that the channel listing should have an entry for Mastermind Cymru, since that is from what I can find, alongside Tipit, the only other game show to be broadcast in the Welsh language? Thor Malmjursson 11:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I would think that anyone who has seen Jacpot, Risg, Cinio Caru, Siôn a Siân or the variety produced for the Planed Plant children's programming stream might take issue with the statement that in 40 years of Welsh-language television those are the only two Welsh-language game shows in existence. :) Chris talk back 19:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] WHO GOT RID OF THE S4C ARTICLE?
Why? Who? When? Please Respond. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cepb (talk • contribs) 13:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Notice
Can anyone add an article about Y Byd ar Bedwar? Please Respond. (Cepb 13:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC))
- Comment moved from article. Gareth 13:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
