Talk:Ryan Braun

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Braun was the 5th overall pick in the 2005 MLB draft! That should be enough. Plus he's the highest drafted Jew ever! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ralphie90 (talk • contribs) 29 January 2006.

I've removed the speedy request :-) --HappyCamper 13:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

User:67.121.107.59, you seem to have a problem with my editing of this article, which you call delightfully call one of "[your] articles" on my talk page. Why is this? I certainly don't appreciate the death threats that you made on my talk page. Refrain from making personal attacks and using unwarranted profanity. Remember that one of Wikipedia's guidelines is to be bold in improving articles. If you disagree with an edit that I or anyone else made, let's discuss it, but we have to remain civil. What exactly do you object to in my edits? My contention is that words like "Herculean" require justification to remain neutral claims. Remember that this is an encyclopedia to which we are contributing; your own opinion is not fact. If you have a credible source that backs up a word like "Herculean", fine; then cite it. Also, please sign your messages. To do so is easy: simply use the wikicode ~~~~. Phoenixrod 04:19, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Herculean" stats

I have a problem with calling Braun's stats "Herculean", as I pointed out above. User:68.120.225.229 on my talk page believes that such stats are "pretty super-human". While I agree that such stats are quite good, I think they fall in the realm of human capability. A recent example, well within the last 20 years and even within the same Brewers organization, of a player with better stats and at least as many stolen bases, is Rickie Weeks. I suggest looking, for example, at http://www.subr.edu/baseball/updated%20baseball%20recordsbook.pdf to see how Weeks's numbers were in fact significantly better in college.

I want to this article to maintain Wikipedia's standards for neutrality. It is one thing to give the stats; it is another to venture your opinion on how good the numbers are. We cannot include original research in an encyclopedia.

Also, I am curious why Braun's Jewishness was highlighted in a recent edit. The article makes no mention of it again until the end (which makes a significant claim about being a high Jewish draft pick). It seems to me that what is of primary importance for Braun is that he is a baseball player. I am going to revert the recent edits. If you disagree, please respond here and explain why. Phoenixrod 21:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I wrote the article originally, and I agree with the removal of the Herculean part so as to maintain neutrality, what I don't understand, is who would be saying it is their article, when I was the one who wrote it originally? I don't disagree with the revisions you made, it makes it seem much more professional and I applaud you for it. However, in the history of professional sports and the yearly routine of drafting players, that Braun being the highest Jewish athlete ever taken at number 5 overall, in the year 2005 no less, makes his jewishness a source of significance, at leat in my opinion. Thanks, and all the best. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ralphie90 (talk • contribs) 5 April 2006.

Ralphie90, I don't know who would claim ownership over this (or any!) Wikipedia article. (S)he hasn't been back since to explain that position. Thank you for the kind words on the article's edits. I don't have a problem with highlighting Braun's Jewishness in the article; I was simply reverting the edits by the anonymous IP who insisted on the POV word "Herculean", pending discussion.

My contention is that a Wikipedia user coming to this page will probably be coming for baseball information first and Jewishness secondarily. If the article's first fact about Braun is that he is Jewish, that seems to me to be putting the lesser information first. Certainly the end of the article addresses Braun's high draft position in connection with being a Jew. It is without question significant enough to be included in the article. I guess my question is this: What is more important to address at the start of the article and what is relevant but less critical to an understanding of Ryan Braun? Phoenixrod 08:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow this guy was one year ahead of me in high school, I never even knew he was famous until now.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 10:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)