Talk:Ruy Lopez

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[edit] pronunciation

hey, can anyone tell me how the name Ruy is pronounced in English? -Lethe | Talk

I'd pronounce it "roo-ey" GCarty 11:10, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The British say rooey, Americans say roy, and Spanish say something in between.

[edit] Steinitz Defence

I'm looking for suggestions on how to name the Steinitz variations.

• 3...d6 Steinitz Defence (NCO) or Old Steinitz Defence (MCO, ECO)
• 3...a6 4.Bh4 d6 Steinitz Defence Deferred (NCO) or Modern Steinitz Defence (MCO, ECO)
• 3...a6 4.Bh4 Nf6 5.0-0 d6 Russian Defence or Steinitz Defence Deferred (ECO), not named by NCO or MCO
• 3...Nf6 4.0-0 d6 (Steinitz by way of the Berlin?)

The key problem is that "Steinitz Defence Deferred" is applied to at least two distinct variations. Quale 19:35, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

I would call the first variation the Steinitz Defense (or Defence, if you like) and the second variation the Steinitz Defense Deferred. The third and fourth to my mind aren't distinct variations, just ways of transposing to the Steinitz Deferred and the Steinitz, respectively. (Similarly, 1.c4 Nc6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e5 4.d5 Ne7 5.Nf3 d6 6.e4 g6 7.Be2 Bg7 is just called a "King's Indian Defense" or "King's Indian Defense (by transposition)." It doesn't get a distinct name just because it arose by an unusual move-order.) Krakatoa 17:36, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Here's another reference: New in Chess calls the first line the Steinitz Defence and the second the Neo-Steinitz Defence. I think Modern Steinitz or Neo-Steinitz are preferable to Steinitz Deferred because they're more informative, but which one you use is up to you. Walter Chan 21:30, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I think the third variation, sometimes called the Russian Defence, may be a finesse in waiting to play ...d6 until after White has castled kingside. In some variations of the Steinitz Defence White has attacking possibilities associated with castling long. I'll try to do some research on this. Quale 07:49, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

I dunno how many people play the Steinitz these days, even in this more sophisticated move order, but you're right that it does avoid certain lines with 0-0-0 by White, for example 3...d6 4.d4 exd4 5.Qxd4!? Bd7 6.Bxc6 Bxc6 7.Nc3 Nf6 8.Bg5 followed by 0-0-0. Krakatoa 18:23, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Berlin Defence variations

An anon added this to the Berlin Defence section. (After 3...Nf6 4.0-0)

Or, with a usual closed game, 4. ... Be7 5. Re1, with play such as (white) c3, a3 and d4 and (black) a6, b5, d6, c5.

Is this ever played? I took this out because it seems the only book moves are 4...Bc5 and 4...Nxe4. Quale 07:45, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

You're correct that it's not commonly played. After 5.Re1, White threatens 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.Nxe5, winning a pawn. 5...a6, the "usual closed game" move that the anon implied was possible, would just make White carry out his threat (this is why 3...a6 is most common: at that moment Bxc6, though playable, is no great shakes, but if Black waits a move or two to play ...a6 it will usually just lose his e-pawn). 5.Re1 d6 is possible, which would transpose to the "Modern Steinitz" or whatever one calls it that you discussed above. So it seems to me that 4...Be7 is playable, although most people would prefer to reach the same position with ...a6 thrown in (the main line Ruy Lopez), which gives Black the option of ...b5 when desired. Krakatoa 18:23, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Name of the opening outside the Anglosaxon world

The article claims that the Ruy López opening is called the Spanish Game outside the English speaking world. That is, in those countries where English is not talked. I'm from Spain and here it is called "Apertura Española". The translation of it would be "Spanish Opening". Wouldn't this option be more correct that "Spanish game"? MJGR 10:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC) Ruy López de Segura

[edit] Understanding Chess-Speak

There needs to be included in the article (or more likely, a link to) a page on how to understand chess-speak, mainly how the grid-referencing system works. This could just be a single-line link that is included on all the chess-move pages? silvarbullet1 08:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

found this: eg. link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Game_Notation if this is indeed the notation used?? i don't know!

[edit] too technical

After looking at the Chess openings Category, I became concerned when I saw over a dozen entries on this Ruy-Lopez opening and variants. I've got no problem with this article existing, it is valid enough on its face, but I'm concerned it is too technical, and that it is overwhelmed with content that is outside the interests of most people. And are so many other articles on it really necessary? Couldn't some of the material be condensed or removed? Mister.Manticore 00:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)