Talk:Russo-Polish War (1654–1667)

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An entry from Russo-Polish War (1654–1667) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 8 September 2006.

I like this article, Ghirlandajo. You have done a good job here. However, the article could be even better if we tried to avoid sweeping statements without much justification. Thus: During the 1660s, the international situation was more favourable to Poland than ever. Really, better than at any time throughout its whole history since 966? Or: These brilliant feats of arms — utterly unprecedented in Russo-Polish relations - "brilliant" is a bit POV, considering the Commonwealth was exhausted by the war it was embroiled in since 1648. And "utterly unprecedented" is also a bit misleading, considering previous episodes, such as the Polish occupation of Moscow. Balcer 13:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with your first complaint. As for the second, well, the Russians never occupied the capital of Lithuania before that. And this time they held it for some six years! So, from a Russian point of view, their success was unprecedented and brilliant. The whole situations is a mirror of the war of 1606-12, when the Poles held Moscow for two years while Russia was weak and experienced its own deluge (i.e., Time of Troubles). --Ghirla ^-трёп- 13:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I suppose anything that happens for the first time is "utterly unprecedented". But you are right, the success was unprecedented and brilliant from the Russian point of view. Yet I thought that Wikipedia was to be written from the neutral point of view. I think it would be a good idea to avoid bombastic statements, even if they appeal to one's patriotic feelings. Do you see any statements like "unprecedented" and "brilliant" in the Polish-Muscovite War (1605–1618) article when the successes of Polish military units and the Polish occupation of Moscow are discussed? (Of course if they are there and I missed them, they should also be removed)Balcer 15:07, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to second Balcer here, both commending Ghirla on this nice contribution, and agreeing that some of the language here is a not too encyclopedic - a bit too much words like 'brilliant', for example (we don't describe the events of 1606-12 as brilliant, do we?). Nothing major, though.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  16:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

We have Fyodor Sheremetev but Ukrainian wiki has uk:Шереметєв Василь Борисович. 2 different people, or is Fyodor incorrect? Balcer 18:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I shall post the article about the Sheremetev family sooner or later and will try to sort it out there. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 12:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC)