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Lancaster County Railroads

Saw you mention this in one of your comments, thought you might like a quick info dump from Taber, etc.:

Major Railroads

  • Pennsylvania Railroad: Main Line (now Keystone Corridor), Atglen and Susquehanna Branch (abandoned Atglen-Safe Harbor), Columbia & Port Deposit Branch (now NS), Columbia Branch (abd. Columbia-Marietta), Quarryville Branch (abandoned, former Lancaster & Reading Narrow Gauge Railroad), Lebanon Branch (abandoned, former Cornwall & Lebanon Railroad), Old Main Line (in Lancaster, parts abandoned), New Holland Branch (abandoned east of New Holland)
  • Reading Company: Reading & Columbia Branch/Railroad (abandoned Ephrata-Lititz, Lancaster Jct.-Landisville, Bruckarts-Columbia, remainder NS and Landisville Railroad Landisville-Bruckarts), Lancaster Branch (now NS), Mount Hope Branch (abandoned), Marietta Branch (abandoned, former Reading, Marietta & Hanover Railroad).

Shortlines

  • Strasburg Railroad
  • Lancaster, Oxford and Southern Railroad (former Peach Bottom Railroad), abandoned

I never heard of that

  • Samuel Strause-his ng logging line had an interchange with the Reading's Mount Hope Branch just within the county line near Penryn Park
  • Champion Iron & Separating Company-had some sort of std. gauge line from Safe Harbor over to Pequea Creek near Marticville. Maybe an extension of the spur to the iron furnace at Safe Harbor?
  • "Grubs Railroad"-so obscure it isn't in Taber. Appears on 1875 map running from ore banks in Grubb Hollow, S of Safe Harbor, to point somewhat short of river and Columbia & Port Deposit.

Given a little time to brush up, will discuss any in sufficient detail to cause hemorrhage--when built, motivations, and so forth. Best, Choess 07:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Jersey Shore, Pine Creek and Buffalo Railroad

Woo-hoo!

Congrats! Matt Yeager ♫ (Talk?) 07:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Allegheny County, Pennsylvania

Allegheny County, Pennsylvania

I apologize for taking so long to respond to the question about the municipalities in Allegheny County. There are 138 municipalities in Cook County, IL plus unincorporated areas. See [1]. As this website is part of the Cook County government's page, I would trust its accuracy on this matter. I did not put anything about Allegheny County being 2nd or 3rd because I really do not know. I only know that the 138 in Cook County is greater than 130 in Allegheny. It seems to be a reasonable assumption that Allegheny is second because I just can't imagine yet another county with over 130 municipalities out there--however, I do not know this for a fact. RichardPgh 01:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Lancaster County

I've rewritten the "Current Railroads" section. The NS branch line names come from our Keystone Corridor article and the rest generally from your PDF. (I'll have to scrounge up the official filings in re. Sahd Salvage, but they're on line.) I have an inchoate history at User:Choess/Lancaster Railroads that I was working on for this section, but it still needs a lot of work. I have an interesting cultural tidbit in regards to Lanco RR history, which I haven't been able to pursue online. A good many years ago, while reading Botkin & Harlow's "Railroad Folklore", I came across the song "The Wagoner's Curse on the Railroad". From the lyrics ("If we go to Philadelphia...", "Our states they are indebted to keep them in repair...") it would seem to refer to the construction of the Philadelphia and Columbia Railroad, but there's no further information online. Choess 05:27, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I ended up making a super-stubby Highway 10 article, before realizing that I didn't know where to find the information to make it an acceptable stub.
I'm starting to feel really fagged-out. At this point, a lot of what needs to be done on the LC article is turning links from red to blue, and even writing stubs is hard work. I think I'm going to take it easy for a while, and concentrate on propping up others' writing with citations, while my batteries recharge.
I have it in mind to create a program that will scour thearda.com for numbers, and create a template that will produce up-to-date religious demographics for state articles. I'm also looking to do the same thing with census information. Demographics is something that most Wikipedians don't do well, and if I can create software that will keep the pages automatically updated, that's probably an above-average way to use my manpower.
That's the mathematician in me. I don't like to work; once I figure out how to do it, then I want to walk away from the problem.... ClairSamoht 04:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I didn't know, until you mentioned it, that there were two Conewago Creeks. I'm not sure for that matter, that I distinguished between Conewago and Conewingo Creek. (I drive my wife crazy by jokingly talking about the community of "Lil' Tits" and the "Coca-Lico Creek".) I have lived here less than a decade, but I know more about the area than my wife, who's lived here for a quarter century, so I'd say that while most people don't distinguish between the two, people that live in the vicinity of one or the other, might. I noted the discussion over Chiques/Chickies/Chickie's, and I can tell you that the local news media consistantly refers to it as Chickie's. I'd use Chickie's over Chiques; it's possible for the USGS to make mistakes. But it's your bat and your ball, and for my money, you can call it whatever you want to. How about an article called Conewago Creek that discusses both creeks, just as the Turkey Hill article discusses both Turkey Hill Minit Markets and the Turkey Hill Dairy, which are separate companies? It blew my mind when I first ran across the Turkey Hill article, but it actually works out well. Since your two creeks are so near each other, that approach might work out well for you, too. Or not. As I say, your choice. ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 03:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
How about creating a stub called Conewago Creek (York County) and a stub called Conewago Creek (Lancaster County))? Then I will come along and propose merging the two articles, you write an article called Conewago Creek, which discusses the two creeks, and we change the two original articles into redirects? That way, when someone comes along and suggests splitting the article, you can say "They WERE separate articles and everyone agreed that they should be merged." I ain't saying my mother never raised no fools, but I ain't naming names.[name a specific person/group] ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 04:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Back to working on Lancaster County tonight. Made a couple of templates - one of the 2005-2006 PSAT scores, and one of the PSSA scores. Created a page Lancaster County, Pennsylvania schools that has little other than the templates and a list of the failing schools. Then I started filling in the missing school districts with stubs. Actually, they're fairly decent stubs, this time, since they have your map, and my two tables on each of them, and I go through each of the schools in the district and show the current and prior year's attendance rates, and the current math and reading PSSAs. I've also got a list of the failing schools, and what they're failing at. There's plenty of opportunity for people in each of the school districts to personalize their pages with extra information, but the stubs are nothing anyone needs be ashamed of. It's almost 4:30 AM, and I'm going to bed with one district left to create; I need to go through and add the templates to the existing school district pages as well. I used 75% type in the templates, so that if someone is really interested, they can get all the details they want, but for everyone else, it's a fairly small block.
Interestingly, I found that Washington Boro, Pennsylvania exists on the German Wikipedia, but not on the English one. ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 09:08, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
We need to turn all the red links blue, at a minimum, before we nominate it. Someone else nominated the Johnny Appleseed article (which was 90% my work) and it failed because the refs weren't to the reviewer's liking, but when I asked him for a Wikipedia-space page listing the acceptable cite styles, he sorta hemmed and hawed and blathered and kicked the ground with his toe, and backed out of the room without looking me in the eyes. I changed the cite style to American Psychological Association style, added a few cites which I'd been meaning to add for quite a while, and renominated it, and I'd like to see what happens there before we go ahead with LC. Maybe I oughta change LC to APA style before we go for review - but I can't find anything that says anything other than Cite.php being preferred, and that's what we're using at LC.
Yes, it's the dutch wikipedia. I'm daft, you know. That diagnosis isn't in the DSM-IV yet, but they're planning on including it in the next version, I'm told, along with addle-pated, and Personality Deficit Disorder.
I did some work on the LC schools page today. I think it's a lot better than it was, but I'm pretty sure I'll look at it in a week, and decide the wording is pretty poor, and change it. If you want to fiddle with it, I won't be offended either way. (You obviously have a lot of other irons in the fire.)
I'd like to take a look at your software. Would you like a site to upload it to? I recently added a fifth server, so I have plenty of room at the moment. ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 22:12, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Got the last public school district (Pequea Valley) done, plus Dillersville and Leaman Place, and Conestoga Wood Specialties. I see someone got highway 10 done. We're getting there.

I spent 45 minutes trying to figure out what township Kelleys Island is in, and I couldn't come up with an answer. In Ohio, the township trustees don't have a lot of responsibilities, but they do sell dog licenses and administer poor relief. They're also responsible for minor roads and for township cemeteries. It's quite possible that all roads on Kelleys Island are township roads, and that there's no township cemetery. You can buy your dog licenses at the county courthouse. If the county handles poor relief, maybe it's not inside a township, but the map of the townships shows KI in a different color than any of the townships, and they aren't doing that with any of the other villages or either city. I really don't need to know - but I'm curious. ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 03:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thank you very much! I don't always find an appreciative audience for long recitations about obscure railroads. I'm honored to be praised by a contributor of such high-quality content. Choess 02:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I thank you as well. Sometimes, I wonder if anyone else really gives a damn whether Wikipedia can be trusted. I decided long ago that I was doing this because I wanted to, not because someone else thought I was wonderful, so getting a star is a nice "extra". ClairSamoht 03:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, I have the page mostly completed; I need to add another sentence or two and get things as well referenced as I can. (Some of it's done from memory, and the necessary references are in the Chesco Section of the Choess Research Library — I'll have to add those when next I visit home.) I've erred rather violently in the direction of completeness. I think once there's some information on the canals (Eastern Division Penna. Canal or Main Line of Public Works, Conestoga Navigation Company) it might be time to make a subpage. I'm very pressed at work right now (DMF kills van Boom's reagent in my hands. Go figure.) but I'll finish it off when I have the chance. Choess 06:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I finished adding references, and am ready to launch the page into article space. It's awfully long, and I think would be best moved to a subpage, like Transportation in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Accordingly, I've pulled the other sections on Transportation from the article and added them to it. The big railroad history part is maybe a bit reference-happy: it's mostly drawn from Taber and Baer, so would it be OK to put those two refs in the header, and only note "exceptional" sources (Kline's volume on logging, the Hilton ref I'll look up when I next go home, etc.) inline? By all means, go ahead and add a section on Native American paths. That would be great.
In other news, since my reaction needs pyridine anyway as a proton sponge, I tried just doing the first coupling (van Boom's reagent + 2',3'-protected nucleoside) in straight pyridine and it works. (Well, the right peak is in the mass spec, anyway...still working it up.) Choess 07:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I've heard that about pyridine. Of course, my testicles are not anhydrous, so it shouldn't be going there in the first place. ;-) I'll see what I can work up on the canals when I get a chance. Choess 04:08, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Point Park Civic Center

Thanks, I'm pretty happy with the way the article turned out. Your support for its candidacy is much appreciated. Christopher Parham (talk) 19:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Trails

I'm as ambivalent as you seem to be over putting that in LC, but I can tell you this: I'd sure like to read it. Maybe it belongs in LC, maybe it ought to be a standalone article with a Template:seealso in LC. You'd have a lot more freedom to do it right in a standalone article, because the focus is on the trails, instead of the county. ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 02:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 7 September 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chiques Creek, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Srikeit (Talk | Email) 18:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Congrats!

On getting the FA for Larrys Creek -- well deserved. I lurk now and again but have no real time for editing these days. Thanks for your kind words: if I ever get back here on a more regular basis, I promise to give what little help I can to your projects. I think the work you do is first-rate. All my best, Jwrosenzweig 02:27, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

JA

You sure did a nice job of polishing the text. On the schools page, too. I could blame the school article on the fact that I haven't been to bed for about 60 hours at this point - not sure why I can't sleep - but JA's rough edges are old and moldy.

There seem to be a lot of people who say "they" say that JA had Marfan's, but I can't find anyone who is willing to make that claim on his own, so consequently, I have a weasel-worded allegation. I suspect people with Marfan's would like there to be someone notable that they can use as a poster child. The guy who runs the Lincoln Library says people claim Lincoln had Marfan's, too, but it's equally unlikely. I think the "Rambo was JA's favorite" claim was similarly inspired by wishful thinking. It'd be a boon for you if your orchard produced Rambo, and it became more popular because of a celebrity endorsement; after all, it'd take quite a while for the supply of Rambos to increase to match the demand, and you'd do well in the meanwhile.

I did the Milan Township article tonight, hurridly, and poorly, to get rid of the red wikilink. I couldn't find much on the township, and so it's got original research from my memory, plus a list of cemeteries in the township, and a list of the structures that the local architectural preservation society thinks are worth preserving. There's no CDP in the entire township, only 1380 houses in the entire township, so census.gov is about useless. I hate using original research, but I wanted enough content to keep the page from being marked for deletion.

I've been thinking for the last month, that if I was running Al Queda, I'd pull some sort of stunt on 9/11, because I'd get a lot more publicity for my efforts. So this afternoon, all of a sudden, I got dozens of calls. Four of my five servers were unresponsive; it was as if they had been swallowed up by a black hole. I tried to contact the data center, and their websites were unavailable, too, and I couldn't get through on the phone. Sites came back up in an hour, about the time it takes to replace a router, and I can't find out what happened, or where, but the server logs show that those servers actually continued to operate, but traffic was down 80% or 90%. That means the router wouldn't have been in the data center, but on the backbone, but nobody seems to know what happened. But now that that excitement is over, maybe I can relax enough to sleep. Or not.

I've been doing some GA reviews. Many of them are pretty sad. Found one today that's pretty good, though. Empires: Dawn of the Modern World‎ ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 04:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 14 September 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Conewago Creek (west), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Srikeit (Talk | Email) 08:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Canals

I've added a longer segment to the article than I thought! Normally I confine edits to the user space of others to disambiguation, but rest assured that you (and ClairSamoht, for that matter) are welcome to meddle with whatever Pennsylvania history projects I may be incubating in user space. Yours, Choess 02:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I can see how that might have been a bit awkward for your visitors..."and as you can see, we've successfully domesticated your species for agricultural purposes!" Choess 05:27, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm glad I read the intervening post before I read this one; I imagine it will be terribly confusing to anyway changing upon this page, who isn't aware of our extra-terrestrial origins. ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 20:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Kelleys Island Township, Erie County, Ohio

I used an older map of Erie County that listed it as both a township and a village. I think that map was from 1984, so it's very possible that it's outdated. Frank12 23:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


Userboxes

  1. I'll get right on it.
  2. It took me 15 minutes to get it working and 5 minutes to figure out what to do with it, but I got it working right after you gave it to me.
  3. Jake with me, but not with WP:NOR

Alchemists have professional reputations to consider and if they get caught lying, it's Not A Good Thing, but WP is edited anonymously, and consequently PCs are not considered a WP:RS.

  1. I originally thought you were in Berks or someplace like that; a suburb of Temple or UPenn, but of late, I've been thinking Ganymede. ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 02:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Pennsylvania

There are four articles being threatened by a merge proposal. The details are listed here Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pennsylvania#Announcements. Would you mind weighing in (hopefully in support) of keeping the articles. --evrik 01:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


Frog

Honest injun, cowboy bob, I told you that I'd probably be interested.

My first thought: Boy, this article just cries out for some maps. You know anyone who can make maps?

My second thought: the local newspapers refer to them as the Conestoga tribe, not the Susquehannock, and I believe the local broadcasters do, too. There are other uses of Conestoga in Wikipedia, and I haven't suggested moving the Susquehannock article to their "real" name, but it sure "feels" strange. Sorta like Chickies Rock Park, Chickies Hill Road, Chickies Rock Moose Lodge #307, Chickies Creek.

But I keep going back to my first thought: this isn't your father's oldsmobile; it's interesting, and it's something you're not going to find in other encyclopedias, because they could never afford to do it right. Kudos.

Johnny Appleseed has its GA. In addition to fixing the red wikilinks, I want to go through the LC article, check all the citations, and add a retrieval date to the footnotes.

The IRS doesn't allow non-terrestrial addresses. Where do you tell *them* you're from? ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 05:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I made two small corrections of "led" for "lead". Looks pretty good. Was the path from Gap to Newport the route for the present Pennsylvania Route 41 and State Route 41 (Delaware)? I guess I should push my part of the transportation article into article space: does Transportation in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania sound like a good title? Choess 20:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I'm taking a day off after passing my candidacy exam (hurrah!), from which has grown an article on Chickies Ridge. Choess 21:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I feel greatly relieved. (No offense taken in re the pyridine, BTW — my reply was intended to be humorous, too.) I've put in a self-nom for DYK, as you suggested. All the best to you and your family, and I'll see you around as we both have time. Choess 01:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I hadn't thought about FA for JA. It seems obvious. I'm inordinantly proud of that article; it represents several passes, each of which was a lot of paintaking work, and I think it has a story to tell; the true story of JA is actually a lot more interesting than this Disneyfied stuff.
You refer to the town of Conestoga, as being closest to the named place of Washington Boro. How far from WB is it? How far is it from the Conestoga post office? In old documents, they talk about the Conestoga Indians living at Indiantown. There are scads of Indiantowns in placesnamed.com, but none of them are in Lancaster County, and the one in Lebanon County is obviously nowhere close. (There is a Conestoga in Lebanon County, too, BTW) I'm wondering if what you're calling Conestoga is what those other documents are calling Indiantown. And this is how a map would help. If I look up Conestoga (named place in LanCo), it says 39°56'26"N 76°20'48"W. If I look up Millersville, it says the boro is at 40°0'N 76°21'W, and the populated place is at 39°59'52"N 76°21'16"W, both in LanCo. Which coordinates do I start out at in order to determine the location of that village?
This isn't a rant directed at you; I know you're facing the same problems with imprecise writing. When I lived in Indiana, I tried to buy some property on land contract; the area of which had been staked out. When we went to close on the thing 2 years later, it turns out that the surveyor had made some obvious errors - for one thing, his description put the property on the opposite side of the road, because he didn't apparently know which way was north. Then we got into a big dispute, because when I checked on the larger parcel of land this was taken from, it said the south boundary was where another property ended; when I checked the description for the other property, it said their north boundary was where the first property ended. Oh, Lord, we went around and around and around, sued to get the property that had actually been staked out, and ended up walking away from the deal, having lost about $10,000. Not the biggest financial loss I've ever taken, but certainly one of the most frustrating. It'd be nice if everything was described using GPS longitude/latitude (but of course, GPS didn't exist back then.)
But in any case, when you draw the maps, be aware that whatever you say will be taken as gospel from now on. It's the closest thing to immortality that most of us will ever see....
Yes, I got the mail. I was unaware that there was a Ganymede, Idaho; I thought you were kidding, and talking about a nonterrestrial location. Oops. Wait, I wasn't supposed to say anything in the userspace about your address, was I? Oh, well, they still think the Unabomber acted alone, and they'll never weasel that out of me.
I'm really opposed to cite web. That would require me to learn something new, and I have religious objections to unnecessary work. On the other hand, if you start upgrading the references on that page, the rules say that the references need to be consistant, and you have to go with whatever style is used in starting the page....
I was wanting to get to bed early tonight, but one of my servers sprung a gasket, and it's been running a FSCK for the last couple of hours. FSCK supposedly stands for File System ChecK but you and I both know a very good reason why it's not called FSC. It's because, when you need to run it, you need to use that kind of language. ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 05:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, I have launched into article space at Transportation in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Merge as you please. I will work on a "Trolleys" section with the material I have here (which is unfortunately deficient in comparison with what I know to be the breadth of the literature). I'm not sure comparing the paths to railroads and canals (rather than roads) is actually that useful. The paths could go up hill and down dale if they needed to, whereas the other two were constrained to more level routes, and so they only coincided by happenstance, when the path followed a convenient stream. Obviously, some of the paths later became important roads, however. As regards maps, I've been thinking about that...I tend to favor a map more or less confined to Lancaster County, to keep the scale manageable, with labels at the edges to show the destinations of the exiting paths. The problem is that one wishes to avoid anachronism in describing those destinations, but it's difficult to speak of them without modern labels. (e.g., Indian Shamokin vs. our Shamokin.) I almost wonder if there isn't a mismatch here between the scale of the article and the subject — perhaps it might be better to have an article on Indian paths of Pennsylvania, or eastern Pennsylvania, rather than trying to cut them up along county lines. I also noticed that odd business with the summit altitude on Chickies Rock. I'm guessing the 262-foot figure either represents an error in transcription, as benchmark number 262 is in the vicinity. (It might also be the height above the Susquehanna; the rock climbing page says "220-foot vertical wall", and maybe the other 42 feet can be scraped out of the rest of the setting.) Choess 05:07, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

To me, Frog looks nice, reads nice. Yeah, some pix would be nice, and I'd be happy to take some, if I can figure out where to go and what to shoot. Sometimes, taking a picture of something like that is like turning 3 miles before you get to that barn that burned down in 1947. There's no always something to depict. It might be a while before I get away from the house. We seem to be in crisis-a-minute mode. Cars are sucking cash, and a new dog, nice but she wants to go for a stroll around the neighborhood every 2 hours, around the clock, every appliance in the house seems to be going on the fritz, and I have a new horror story about a server that I can't tell in polite company, because I don't know enough euphemisms; I have a hard time telling in impolite company, because I don't know strong enough cursewords.
Louis Lamour said that out west, indian trails followed equipotent lines - they looked like they circled around, but they neither went uphill, nor downhill. ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 07:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the maps are a good start. I wish I had a good base map for the county — larger streams and the major towns, maybe a few highways. I have some sort of orienteering-designed program called MARPLOT which allows easy drawing of overlays on a base. With that, I could pretty easily whip up a map of, say, the canals and the Philadelphia & Columbia at a reasonable scale. Abridgement of the transportation section in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania sounds fine. I suppose I should really "break out" my references in the Transportation article by page number...I wish the reference tag were more powerful, to make these things more convenient.
Funny you should mention Bald Eagle Mountain. I've been cranking along for a while on an article on the Bellefonte Central Railroad, which ran along the south side of the ridge, and I just dashed off a short article on Scotia, Pennsylvania, also to the south. Apparently, large sectors of the mountain are composed of high-calcium limestone, which was in great demand for steelmaking, leading to the formation of Chemical Lime Company, later a subsidiary of National Gypsum.
I'm touched to be an inspiration — your article on Larrys Creek really opened my eyes to how stunningly good articles on local topics can be. You and Clair have both moved me to be a good deal better about citing things as I write articles. I might even argue that these sorts of "parochial" articles are the best part of Wikipedia. Any encyclopedia can have articles on elephants, Stephen Colbert, or whatever. But the beauty of Wikipedia is that it can subsume all kinds of technical literature (like Taber's encyclopedia of railroads), and that it can tap experts who are very narrow but deep. That is, the guy who's spent the past five years writing a history of Gronk County can pull up a browser window and churn out detailed articles on all its features, something you'd never have room for in any traditional encyclopedia, even if you could find him. Over and out, Choess 05:38, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Hopefully Clair is just away for the weekend, which is not a bad thing when discussion heats up, anyway. I'm a little surprised he stirred up such a strong response, but the combination of stubbornness and what appears to be the questioning of lots of basic premises of physics, etc., is what was called KOOKSIGN, back when Tony Sidaway was known for hounding Edmond Wollmann, astrologer, across Usenet rather than controversial Wikipedia administration. Anyway, I'm trying to slowly grind though the Lancaster County article and slim down the citations a bit, as you've seen. Clair's way of adding citations as he writes does tend to produce two or three references when one might do. Furthermore, I'm okay with letting citations lurk, like German verbs, at the far end of the material, so that one citation serves for a few sentences or a paragraph. If a single section is drawn mostly from one reference, with a few others interspersed for single facts, I also think it would be OK to cite that reference only in the section header. Occasionally the references don't say quite what they're called upon to provide, either, which is why I'm trying to work through and check all the webbed ones. Once that's done, I think the optical density of the references will be down to a more manageable level; we'll probably still have ninety or so, but for an article like this, where we're pulling together information about a huge number of different cultural, political, geographical, etc. facets, I think that's perfectly appropriate, whatever our new friends may think.
There's still some more substantial reorganization to be done. I haven't ventured to touch the highways yet, but I'm hoping it can be expanded, perhaps with PennDOT sources, to talk a little about traffic in, and more importantly through, the county. (For instance, I know anecdotally that truck traffic to and from the Port of Wilmington has increased in recent years, and moves along Route 41 through Chester County; presumably this also means heavy traffic on the three-lane, non-divided part of Route 30, but I'm not sure where I'd find a discussion of that.) Really, I'd just like to see Highways be as long as Railroads, as the present situation seems to place undue weight on the latter; while I could probably cut down the railroads section a bit further, it's about at the minimum limit for covering all presently operating railroads in the county, and I'd hate to lose that. The section on Lancaster Airport also needs to be expanded, but they have a web page with plenty of detail.
All that tackled, some further structural changes are necessary. The "Sports" section needs to move up a bit; it shouldn't be under "See Also". The "History" section, as it stands, is rather scattershot. That will have to be spun off and expanded as well, and the present section adjusted until it's a bit less idiosyncratic. That's a long-term project, however.
On the subject of maps, I think the larger one is about the right scale. For a map of canals and early railroads, I'll need the Susquehanna and Conestoga Creek (other waterways at your discretion), the towns of Columbia, Lancaster, Safe Harbor (mouth of Conestoga Creek), Mt Joy, Elizabethtown, Paradise, Strasburg, and maybe Gap. For the railroad network in general, maybe I can bang up something in Illustrator from the PennDOT map, when I have time. I have only made this comment rather long because I have not had time to make it shorter, Choess 04:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
No hurry. I'll be busy this week too, and I'm having to deal with a troublesome editor elsewhere.
When I created Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania, I really never expected this. Choess 18:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I clicked on the wrong link, and when I ended up at Wikipedia, I saw I had messages waiting for me.
There are a lot of people who make fun of Wikipedia, and I thought I could make a difference, but I was wrong.
The Hubble space telescope proved that our notions of speed and distance were erronious by a factor of tenfold. I asked which way the error was, and whether the speed of light is now considered to be 1.86 million miles per second, or 18.6 thousand miles per second, and was e-bitchslapped, and told that I was not competent to judge science articles.
I've been told that there are templates which may not be used, because they are disruptive, but they are still listed. I've been told that policy doesn't matter, that verifiability is immaterial, as long as there are a bunch of people who want to post nonsense, because they are quality editors.
If you think I'm pissed off, yes, I am. I was defrauded. I donated a LOT of valuable time, because I thought that official policies were official policies. I wouldn't have done that if I had realized that Wikipedia intends to remain unreliable.
I won't call Wikipedia shit. I grew up on a farm, and think of manure as a valuable commodity. But Wikipedia smells of t-butyl mercaptan. Good luck to you two. ClairSamoht - Wikipedia - by policy, they don't care about truth, by practice, they don't care about verifiability. 22:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Your suggestions for Demosthenes

Thanks for your suggestions in Demosthenes. I tried to make some improvements and I'd like to have your opinion in Wikipedia:Peer review/Demosthenes. Regards!--Yannismarou 16:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

PA State Parks

I just created a page for Ravensburg State Park. I think I did pretty good for my first time. Some feedback would be appreciated. And if you could use your expertise to add maps and pictures I would really appreciate it. Thanks Dinch Dincher 00:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, map and edits. I will be working on wikipedia mostly on Tuesday and Wednesday nights. I work those nights at the catalog desk at J.C. Penney in Fayetteville, North Carolina and have tons of time to fiddle around on the internet. Not my real job. I am a 2nd grade teacher. Originally from PA of course. The Greatest Commonwealth in the land. Dincher 21:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I am actually going to Penn State this weekend. Ravensburg isn't too far away. I'll try to get over there and get a picture or too. Dincher 04:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

We didn't get to Ravensburg. This week I plan on adding two state park articles. I'll just go for some that appear in red, unless there is a list of priorities. Dinch Dincher 01:38, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I think that the Ravensburg Park pictures are great! It shows what the park looks like when it is cold and rainy. One of the things I don't miss about living in PA is the cold and rainy weather! Thanks for the other info about kilometers etc., Dinch Dincher 01:50, 22 October 2006 (UTC)


Expanded the Codorus State Park article tonight. Needs a map and picture when possible. How does it look? Dincher 23:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


Created Shikellamy State Park tonight. Needs a map and picture when possible. Shikellamy is pretty close to some of the other parks on your list to visit soon. Maybe you could stop by. Dinch Dincher 23:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

It took me awhile on the map to get it zeroed in to where I needed the dot. Is there a method or do you just shoot until you hit your target. Next article I will try to get the lat. and long. of whatever park I write about. I am pretty excited about making the DYK list. Now people from all over just might read about Ravensburg. Some have already added their two cents worth. Dincher 20:46, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


Created Trough Creek State Park tonight. I am not sure about the accuracy of the co-ordinates. Went to www.topozone.com to get them. I am have trouble translating them to the template. Dincher 23:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


Created Milton State Park article tonight. Didn't try to mess with the co-ordinates. I have been to this park many many times. Hopefully you can stop and get a picture. Easy to get to from US 15 at the West Milton exit. Dincher 00:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Got another one done. Swatara State Park Should I keep on passing the message along when I get a State Park article started or not? How does this work within the project? Are other people watching what I am doing or should I keep you posted. Dincher 00:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I will keep you posted on articles as I get them completed. I definetly want another pair of eyes reading the article and correcting any mistakes. Thanks for the Help. Dincher 15:30, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I created Sizerville State Park tonight. Any copy edits that you can do will be great! I think I got most of it right this time. Dincher 23:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip about creating my own sandbox. I will use it soon. I would be glad to look at your new articles. Just keep me posted. An extra pair of eyes always helps. I spelled Sizerville with an "l" quite a few times as I was typing. My typing skills are not too sharp. Thanks for catching my mistakes. Dincher 14:42, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Created Hills Creek State Park tonight 10-24-06. This park is very close to Lawrenceville, Pennsylvania where my parents live. I have asked them to get some photos of it and other nearby state parks. Regarding Larrys Creek if I am correct Camp Kiwanis is on Larrys Creek. My Dad went to camp there as a kid. Have you learned anything about Camp Kiwanis? Relating to Larrys Creek that is. Copy edit on Hills Creek will be grately apresheeated. =)Dincher 23:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Created Archbald Pothole State Park tonight 10-25-06. This one is very interesting. I had a lot of fun learning about potholes. Let me know what you think. I read a little bit about tannin pollution. I will look for more and let you know. Dincher 01:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking about submitting Archbald Pothole State Park to the DYK page. I had some doubts. But it is worth a shot. Would they be interested in posting a DYK on another PA State Park so soon after Ravensburg State Park made an appearance? Archbald Pothole itself could make a very interesting article on its own. I bet lots of interesting things have happened there over the years. Dincher 18:25, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I expanded Black Moshannon State Park and Colton Point State Park this weekend. I am pretty sure they will need some copy edit. Thanks Dincher 21:26, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Just finished up Leonard Harrison State Park. Much of the info is exactly the same as Colton Point State Park. Dincher 22:29, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I created Lyman Run State Park. It was a World War 2 POW camp. Very interesting. I am going to look for more info on this. It will be tough. There were lots of little POW camps all over the US. Dincher 00:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The big hole in the ground, Archbald Pothole State Park, made the DYK list. Thanks again. Also thanks for the copy edits. Have a Happy Halloween! Dincher 16:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Created Ole Bull State Park tonight. What do you think of it's DYK possibilities?Dincher 00:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

More PA State Parks

You're busy doing work and taking a break with wiki. I am at work and taking a break from wiki, wishing for work. Tonight has been a very slow night at JC Penney. I submitted a DYK for Lyman Run. Maybe I'll get lucky again. Dincher 01:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

How does this DYK teaser sound Did you know that Ole Bull State Park in Pennsylvania is named for the renowned Norwegian violinist who tried to establish a Norwegian colony in the wilderness of Pennsylvania? It's the day after Halloween. I am going to have 20 second graders hopped up on candy on my hands in a few minutes! Here they come! Dincher 12:41, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Knocked out three tiny ones tonight. Denton Hill State Park, little more than a ski resort, Patterson State Park, seems to be a roadside rest with access to some trails, and Prouty Place State Park, you can't get there from here. I will submit Ole Bull for DYK soon. Thanks for the tip on the pic. I didn't know I could use a pic from another wiki site like that. Could your picture of the Pine Creek Gorge be added to Leonard Harrison State Park? Dincher 00:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

If Upper Pine Bottom State Park is the spot I am thinking of, it's been like that for at least twenty years. Is it just outside of Waterville, kinda near Happy Acres? These tiny parks, I think might be left overs of once dreamt of larger state parks. I would be surprised if the get any further development. I "confiscated" some candy today. You could say that I am pretty hopped up on sugar. The kids really weren't that bad. I just had to play Mean Mr. Dincher today instead of nice easying going Mr. Dincher. Dincher 01:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Created Mont Alto State Park tonight. The first state park in PA! Not much to it now. Dincher 01:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Created Samuel S. Lewis State Park. Dincher 20:59, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Expanded Cherry Springs State Park. Potter County state parks should be completed. Penn State lost =( Dincher 23:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar! What is a barnstar? I mean in the real world, not wikipedia. Dincher 15:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Created Beltzville State Park this afternoon. Lyman Run State Park makes DYK. 3 for 3! Thanks again for the barnstar! Dincher 22:26, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Somebody named Circeus is making edits to the Lyman Run State Park article. Who is he and what makes him think he can level such criticism? He doesn't seem to understand the point of writing the PA Sate Park articles. I think that the articles are fine. He says they read like a park advertisement and they aren't neutral. I feel like all I did was state the facts. People interested in visiting Lyman Run State park should find this information useful. Does he expect to see criticism of the state park? Dincher 15:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Good evening. I have been plugging away again tonight. Things are still slow at Penney's. I created Bendigo State Park and Colonel Denning State Park and expanded Elk State Park. Bendigo is named for an Irish boxer turned evangelist. I found an wiki article on boxer named Bendigo, same era, same Christian name, but it doesn't mention this fella moving to the US. Might be, might not be the same guy. Oh yeah, Colonel Denning was never a colonel. Interesting. Dincher 01:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I submitted the Denning Article for DYK. I wrote it with the changes Circeus recommended on the Lyman Run article in mind. Hopefully if it get chosen he won't have much of a problem with it. I still don't understand what his role on Wikipedia is. Do you? Why do we care? What's ToC? Dincher 02:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Lyman Run

First of all I can't believe that someone for Quebec is so interested in my little article. Second of all I have little to no respect for him. He really came across as an _______. I explained my POV on the situation at the Lyman Run State Park talk page. I am firmly opposed to changing any of the State Park articles. The sections serve a purpose! I am someone who has a hard time reading things on the computer that are not divided up into sections. If it is just a mass paragraph I lose focus. Focus is not my strong suit. This wiki articles are I think a bit of an improvement on the PA DCNR articles. They don't have the click and skip feature that someone like me really likes to use. Enough of that. Thanks for the heads up on not editing his edits. I don't want to be locked out. I will be working on another State Park article tonight. Dincher 22:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The changes to Lyman Run look good. I hope he is happy. Dincher 16:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Footnotes to nowhere

Hi, you just added a semi-automated peer review to Wikipedia:Peer review/International Phonetic Alphabet [2]. I'm confused by the footnotes in it. They all just say "See footnote", but there's no other footnote to see. What's going on? —Angr 14:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: What to do?

Got it. I've blocked several of the accounts for now, and plan to block the others if they continue their current trends. Abington Heights School District is sprotected, for a few days, in the hopes this blows over. Let me know if there's any further issues in these regards. Thanks for combating vandalism -- just as we need writers to build an encyclopedia, we need RC patrollers to defend it; every little bit helps! Regards, Luna Santin 07:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello. I am one of the people who was editing the Abington Heights page and I'd just like to say I'm terribley sorry to everyone and that it won't happen again. I got caught and given a three day suspension, I learned my lesson. Breakdown2218 18:30, 16 October 2006.

Oh, and is there any way to delete something in the editing history? there's something I really need to get out of there. Breakdown2218 17:02, 17 October 2006.

Wikipedia:Peer review/South Australian legislative election, 2006

If you can run another script that would be good, thanks :-) Timeshift 05:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

If you can also explain to me how I manage to get it from this point to officially being a featured article? Is it just a matter of waiting until there are no more inputs on the peer review and then submitting it to Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates? Thanks again for your input. Timeshift 19:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

1956 Hungarian Revolution

Hi Ruhrfisch, you may be happy to hear that 56 is now scheduled for FA on 23 October. Thanks for your help in this! Istvan 05:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Harry Aubrey Toulmin, Sr.

Hi Ruhrfisch. Thanks for commenting on my page Harry Aubrey Toulmin, Sr.. I became concerned after reading your post that Toulmin was in Springfield, OH but every now and then I wrote Springfield, Ill. It turns out, the reference from which I took the information[3] is from NASA and lists Illinios. Here is the NASA entry for 1904 JANUARY 14. "Wrights write to Harry A. Toulmin, patent attorney in Springfield, Ill., for appointment to discuss pending patent application." Here is the entry for 1904 JANUARY 22. "Wilbur goes to Springfield, Ill., to see Toulmin and places Wright patent case in his hands. Wilbur saw Toulmin again on February 4 to discuss foreign patent applications. Chanute visits Wrights in Dayton to discuss rules for aeronautic competition scheduled for St. Louis World’s Fair." Search the reference[4] for Toulmin and you will see some of the information I used. The Bushnell Building is located at 14 E Main St, Springfield, OH 45502-1358. So NASA is wrong. Wacky!Jreferee 05:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

HELP! I've emailed people to look at my article and for some reason, they cannot pull up the article from the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Aubrey_Toulmin%2C_Sr . Also, when I enter "Harry Aubrey Toulmin" or "Harry Toulmin" into Wikipedia's search, it says that no such article exists. I thought that it was because my article was missing something, such as de:Harry Toulmin, pl:Harry A. Toulmin, sk:Harry Aubrey Toulmin, sv:Harry Toulmin. I don't even know what these do, but I added them to the bottom of the article. That didn't change anything. Why can't outsiders pull up my artice Harry Aubrey Toulmin, Sr. and why can't I find my article via Wikipedia search? Thanks.Jreferee 12:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
In answer to my own post, "the search index is often out of date, sometimes taking weeks before it's updated. Because of that, recent changes are not immediately reflected on the search." Also, the title of my article "Harry Aubrey Toulmin, Sr." ends in a period (".") which apparently is a problem bug according to this link[5]. I'll follow up with Bugzilla on this.[6] Thanks. Jreferee 13:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

"the it" (passim)

Hello. I keep reading: Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that the it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work (emphasis added). Time to zap the "the"! -- Hoary 15:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

PR

Image:WikiThanks.png Thanks a lot for taking over the automated peer reviews while I was away - I thought the concept would completely die out; guess I was wrong :). AZ t 21:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear Herr Ruhrfisch, Re automated peer review suggestions, if you are still delivering these, I wonder if its possible to use them on non-peer review pages? I have a 'draft' article here and I'd be interested in the results if they can be provided. Thanks, Ben MacDui 21:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks. Ben MacDui 21:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks for your help with the Findhorn Ecovillage article, which received a 'Did you know..?' billing on 8th November. I am slowly learning the ropes and would be happy to return the favour if you think I can be of assistance. Ben MacDui 18:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I do indeed know The Waterboys song and a very fine one it is too. Ben MacDui 12:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Re the auto peer review, you said "if you are interested, you can add the javascript to your monobook.js and run it yourself." I now know what a monobook.js is and indeed have one. However the implications of the first part of the sentence elude me. If you could explain how I can 'add the javascript' I'd be grateful. I can see it could be a useful tool even if an article is nowhere near 'featured' status. Ben MacDui Talk 18:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Larrys Creek

The additions do make it more interesting. Perhaps you could state some more about how nature has sort of taken the creek back in the last several decades. That it once was largely polluted and industrialized and is now a source of drinking water and fishing. Just a rough idea on my part for now. Dincher 20:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't read about Camp Kiwanis before I read about it on Larrys Creek. Anyway. I bet my Dad would be happy to answer questions about Camp Kiwanis and what it was like in the 1950's. This could add more interest to Larrys Creek Dincher 23:30, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow! You were really digging deep to get info about tannin pollution way back in Medieval Times. Right now I am just looking some stuff over while I am chatting with my wife. Not a good time to read and think. I will read more tomorrow. Have a great trip! Dincher 03:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

These state parks have really captured my interest. I have previewed some of them. Black Moshannon is going to be coming up soon. It was a big CCC camp. The CCC is very interesting to me. They built the football stadium in my hometown, South Williamsport. It is a football stadium. Not just some bleachers on a field like most other high school football fields. Anyway. Imagine that. Leather companies don't have much to say about pollution. Another idea that interests me is in how nature can reclaim the land. The Swatara article was interesting in that way. I am looking forward to finding other examples of this as I complete more State Park articles. Dincher 11:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe that the EPA report in combination about the medieval ages pollution evidence should be sufficient evidence for proving pollution on Larrys Creek. Expanded Colton Point State Park tonight. Leonard Harrison should be next. Easy to do too, much of the info is the same as Colton Point. Dincher 04:07, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

This sentence stands out as maybe being wrong or perhaps I am just confused. Homes and fields were abandoned, with livestock driven along and a few possessions floated on rafts on the river west to Muncy, then further south to Sunbury. I am pretty sure that they fled east to Muncy instead of west as it says. Or it could say that they fled from the west to Muncy. Am I right? I will admit to being biased for this article. Anything about Lycoming County is going to get my support since that is where I am from. I always thought that the name Larrys Creek was pretty funny. My Dad never really had an answer for why it was called Larrys Creek. I really like the article alot. I the maps and diagrams are very helpful to me and the division into sections is a plus as well. Thanks for the fix on the ref at Hyner Run and the tip about the template. Dincher 04:29, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Your comment for the peer review of article Ilaiyaraaja

Guten tag. Just to say thanks for giving input for the above article's peer review (see Wikipedia:Peer_review/Ilaiyaraaja) AppleJuggler 03:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello again

Preoccupied with all sorts of this-and-that, so I haven't been around much. (Today's woe was leaving one end of the S300 column uncapped when switching it out for my own homebrewed DEAE cellulose column, which likes to blow the end off at >0.5 ml/min. Joy. Damage assessment tomorrow, when the rehydration is done, although only part of the top went dry. At least I'm getting some...interesting...empirical experience in how to separate nucleotide phosphates on equipment probably not quite designed for the task.) I've stuck a draft of the canal map up in my own webspace (http://www.stwing.org/~choess/LancasterCanal.PNG). It does look a bit over-busy with all the boundaries, but they do help somewhat with the placement of labels. Let me know what you think. I'm not sure of an immediate application for your pictures, but they look quite nice, and good to have around. Best, Choess 04:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll lay into the map with proper software, Illustrator I suppose, make a proper legend and so forth. I'd meant to include early railroads, but I forgot. I'll probably show transportation as of 1840: the canals, Philadelphia & Columbia and HPMtJ&L and any other railroads, and maybe the turnpikes. After that I'll try and tackle the complete rail network of Lancaster County, which will take a bit more doing. I see Dincher has brought up the Jersey Shore, Pine Creek & Buffalo, so I suppose I should renew my hunt for a book on NYC history. I want to do an article on the Beech Creek Railroad and subsidiaries, but I don't quite understand the details of the (post-Corsair-conference?) rapprochement of the PRR and NYC that gave NYC trackage rights to help reach Clearfield and so on.
Things above have turned out for the best: the S-300 is unperturbed, I traced the problem with my own column to a dodgy gasket, and I've successfully separated my 1mM adenosine phosphates (mono-, di-, tri-) on it. Yours, Choess 16:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
It turns out most of the predecessors can be discussed apart from one another; I leave the history of the lines as the NYC Pennsylvania Division to some doughty historian of the 'Central. Enjoy Jersey Shore, Pine Creek and Buffalo Railway; I'm working on an article on the Fall Brook Coal Company as well. Choess 19:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Paulins Kill peer review

  • Thanks for adding the script. I noticed you were the principal author, and...in fact, your work on Larrys Creek inspired me to try to bring Paulins Kill up to that level. —ExplorerCDT 17:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

is "& n b s p ;" the same as just pressing the space bar...if so, i'll just leave measurements alone.—ExplorerCDT 22:58, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Let me thank you again for your comments and all your help so far. What things did you notice were expect when Larrys Creek went on to be an FAC (i'm right now waiting for someone to click the PK over to a good article)? What things/how demanding a grilling do you think the PK will get at FAC? —ExplorerCDT 04:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Honest appraisal: What do you think the chances are of the Paulins Kill article passing FAC and becoming an FA? and how long? —ExplorerCDT 05:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll bust through the refs tomorrow most likely. My book is being released by the end of the month, early next. As for the images, the fed picture is easy, some fisheries website i have in my notebook, the shafer house...I have copies of the e-mail exchange between me and Arnie Shafer, whose site it is taken from...I did source it to his website on the tage page, but if i mention personal e-mails (which I'll keep and fwd upon request) and even quote the permitting e-mail on the tag site, would that suffice? —ExplorerCDT 15:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

    • P.S. How would you 'delistify' the flora and fauna section? —ExplorerCDT 15:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Killdeer a predator...maybe to grubs. The killdeer thing is a joke between me and another wikipedian. He hasn't had the chance to see it yet. There's another joke on the Princeton University article...see if you can find it (given what you know about me).

Blanchard athletic conference

Thanks for your note. I have been udpating Ohio villages and I noticed that some of them are involved in athletic conferences. It was my first attempt at creating a template. I took the information from the Blanchard article itself. I didn't have any way to know if there were errors in that info, I trusted it was correct. Do you know that area? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CRKingston (talk • contribs).

Jimmy Wales has resigned

First Larry Sanger quit, and this afternoon, I read that Jimmy Wales has now quit. If the founders are that unhappy with Wikipedia, I feel better about my decision.

I see you and Waitak have defended my user page. I appreciate the gesture.

May you (and all good men) have a wonderful yule/christmas/saturnalia/etc season. I'd wish you peace on earth, but I think the Homeland Security folks consider that phrase to be unpatriotic.

Adios. ClairSamoht - Wikipedia - by policy, they don't care about truth, by practice, they don't care about verifiability. 18:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Lenape language and Princeton University

There is no "Sir Henry Rutgers Hall" at Princeton...it's a jab at the Rutgers vs. Princeton Rivalry. Should read "Stanhope Hall". I put that in over 18 months ago and no one working the Princeton University article has noticed it.

As to my understanding of Lenape, I have a background in linguistics, so while I can't speak it, I can do etymologies rather well, translate proficiently, and I have most of the better books/dictionaries dealing with it. What can I help you with? —ExplorerCDT 21:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Did you have to ruin the Princeton thing...I was waiting to see how long before someone noticed it...you cheated. Now I have to wait until I redo the article to reinsert it. —ExplorerCDT 03:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Understood. I wanted to see how long it took before it was corrected naturally. Sorta like how I used to test how fast an article woudl get deleted if titled List of letters in the alphabet between A and C. Once it lasted 18 seconds, another time, two weeks. —ExplorerCDT 04:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Will do when I get to FAC. I'm wondering why Good Articles is taking so long (ugh!). I thank you very much for all the help and advice you have given me so far. I'm still looking into those Lenape things for you, been a busy week. Should have that done tonight or tomorrow. —ExplorerCDT 16:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Upcoming NYC Meetup

You wanted to know when the next meetup was being organized in New York City. Plan for Saturday, 9 December 2006. While you're at it. Come help us decide on a restaurant. See: Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC. Spread the word. Thanks. —ExplorerCDT 22:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

No Idea How to do This!

Ruhrfisch, I just expanded Bucktail State Park. I made a new PNG file on my computer for the map. A red dot just will not work for this park. I am completely clueless as to how to go about getting it from my computer to the wiki world. I tried going to wikicommons, but got freaked out. I am not a computer guru! Waiting your advice Dincher 00:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I would like to upload it myself. I will be needing step by step instructions. I will soon be signing off for the night and won't be back to this computer here at home until Thursday, so there is no hurry. Your advice about being nice is being heeded. I do feel a sense of ownership. That is to be expected. He just twisted by buttons. Should not have let it happen. Bucktail State Park is the 75 mile state park on the West Branch and Sinnemahoning. Dincher 02:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I have never been one to read directions. Just as you were sending me a message about looking for the upload a file link on wikipedia I had found it. Now. The map is on the Bucktail State Park page. It looks kinda fuzzy. Feel free to fix it if you want. I am also sure that I messed up the licensing and crediting stuff. Dincher 02:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead and fix it. I made an unfuzzy picure but am getting frustrated with uploading it. Something ain't right. My wife is home from bowling and it's time to get off Wikipedia. Dincher 02:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I saw the fixes this morning it looks much better. Thanks. I was getting Elk and Cameron counties confused. Have a good day. I will be plugging away again this evening. Dincher 12:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Pennsylvania State Parks

I see you found Big Spring State Park and Fowlers Hollow State Park already. I also completed Hyner Run State Park tonight. I found some useful info on the CCC camp at Hyner Run. I cited it, but something weird comes up here is what it looks like Error on call to Template:cite web: Parameters url and title must be specified. Pennsylvania Department of Conservation and Natural Resources. Retrieved on 2006-11-08. I am not sure what is up with that. I hope you aren't too busy with work! Dincher 02:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I created Hyner View State Park today. It would be great if we could get a photo from the view. There really isn't much to it. Basically just a scenic lookout. Dincher 20:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I expanded Canoe Creek State Park today. I added a bat picture to it, I don't like it's location but don't know how to move it. Could you move it to the right? Dincher 16:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Darwinek says this about having the State Parks in the Pennsylvania Category: (all should be placed only in the "Pennsylvania state parks" category which is a subcat of "Pennsylvania" cat.) what do you think? Thanks for the congrats. Hakuna Mata Dincher 17:48, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I created Reeds Gap State Park tonight. That will be all for the evening my wife is home from bowling soon. Are you having fun? Dincher 01:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

You misunderstood about the Kentucky Colonel. I was using it to let people know that you can be a colonel and not be in the army. The person who asked the ? did not ID himself. They might not be familiar with Kentucky Colonels. My theory is that it was just bestowed upon him in a totally informal way. More like a nickname than anything else. You are right. Poe Paddy and Poe Valley will be knocked out tomorrow night, probably. My wife is sick. I get the germs from the kids and pass them on to her. I don't really get sick. I have some kind of immunity built up against kid diseases! =) Dincher 03:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I know the Balls Mills Naval Academy. I love it. I have family that lives in Pleasant Valley and Rose Valley, Balls Mills is on the way there and I make a point to pass it (the academy) sometimes. I am sure that I have built up an immunity to monster germs. I will check the colonel on DYK. Dincher 12:39, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I expanded and renamed Kings Gap State Park is was Kings Gap Environmental and Education Center. I did this so it will fit in easily with the other state parks. It still is a state park anyway. Don't know if this is okay or not, but I went for it. I will have to check out the link about Balls Mills Naval Academy when I get home. My sweetie says she is feeling better. She should be well soon, thanks for the thoughts. Dincher 01:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Balls Mills Naval Academy

How many people need to register as alumni of Balls Mills Naval Academy before Classmates realizes that it is a garage? =) Dincher 03:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Kings Gap

Go ahead and ask about Kings Gap. Perhaps we could fix it so that clicking Kings Gap State Park and Kings Gap Environmental Education and Training Center gets the user to the same place. Can it be done? If it can will you go ahead and do it? It's good to know that Balls Mills Naval Academy is no longer active on Classmates. I was thinking of registering! Dincher 16:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Guess what. I just checked it and it already works like that. Now it's just a matter of the official title I guess. It doesn't really matter to me. Dincher 16:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I created Sand Bridge State Park just now. It needs more info that I can't access at work, like township, acreage, and nearest town. Dincher 21:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I created Nescopeck State Park tonight and Nockamixon State Park as well. I originally had renamed Lake Nockamixon to the state park, but switched it back. Now there are two entries, one for the state park and one for the lake. That should be it for the night. Dincher 01:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that this appears at the top of Susquehannock State Park This article is about the Pennsylvania State Park. For other uses, see Susquehanna State Park does it belong there? Dincher 02:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Normally, the practice is to discuss the change on the appropriate page. Sorry about the confusion. --evrik (talk) 17:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

NC Weather

The tornadoes were to the east of here, Hope Mills. They hit a very poor area, Columbus County. You have to see how some people live to believe it. Thanks for the concern and have a good one. Dincher 22:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Blanchard athletic

Hey, everything is cool. It's hard to communicate in writing alone, too. We both want to make the best contributions, and I appreciate you letting me know that those didn't measure up. I won't assume other articles are correct going forward, I'll check them first. CRKingston 00:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

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