Talk:Ruger "P" series pistols

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I think Ruger P97 should be removed and redicted here. - RevRagnarok 02:56, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree, with one caveat. The P97 article contains a table with specifications (size, weight, capacity) and I'd like to see that table moved before P97 goes away, and tables provided for the other P series models as well. scot 13:25, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, that information is just taken directly from Ruger's web site, which is a reference at the bottom. It might take a good chunk of work to copy it for every model, and if we did, it may be a copyright issue...? - RevRagnarok 00:55, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure that a list of specifications is really copyrightable; but that point aside, yes it would be a bit of work to gather all the specs together, but all the info should be on Ruger's website. Perhaps a 2-D table would be best--then not only is the info more compact and readily readable, but you work around potential copyright issues by using a far different format. Maybe something like:

Model	P-85	P-89	P-90	P-91	P-93	P-94	P-944	P-95	P-97	P-345
Caliber	9mm	9mm	.45 ACP	.40 S&W	9mm	9mm	.40 S&W	9mm	.45 ACP	.45 ACP

etc. for weight, capacity, length, etc. I can get some specs for out of production models (the P-85, P-91, P-93) from the Blue Book. Things like safety/decock/DAO, finishes (blue, SS, two-tone), availability of pitcanny rail can be noted in an "options" row, as can the CA and MA approved status. scot 01:54, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I think you can make tables without HTML tho with vertical bars...

Catalog ID	Model	Finish	Caliber	Mag Capacity	Weight
P89	Manual Safety	B	9mm	10	32 oz.

I have a mat that a dealer would put on top of a glass display case to show the model without scratching the glass... picked it up off eBay a while back... it has P89-KP95, so anything newer wouldn't be on it. Has all the info I listed above. - RevRagnarok 02:51, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Naming Issue

Shouldn't this page be retitled "Ruger P Series". Afterall, other manufacturers use a "P" prefix for their pistol models as well: Walther, HK, SIG, etc. --D.E. Watters 23:25, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

It probably should be. The reason it is named as it is, I had created articles that referenced "P series" pistols and created links, and I just filled in the blank article. It'd be easy to change the links, there aren't many. On the other hand, Rugers are the only make I've heard refered to generically as "P series", so it might be worth keeping "P series" as a redirect. scot 13:04, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is it "D" or "DC"?

My Ruger is stamped P89DC, as it is the decocker variant. Is is D or DC for the decocker?--BohicaTwentyTwo 15:02, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

"DC" on the guns, as you've seen, but "D" in the Ruger catalog, such as: http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=3072&return=Y scot 17:02, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I thought I wrote it pretty clearly in the article... ;) "However, many catalogs put DC instead of D, incorrectly listing the previous example as KP95DC or even P95DC w/SS slide. This confusion likely stems from that model's slide being stamped P95DC, but Ruger's official web site and catalogs use only the "D" suffix. " -- RevRagnarok 02:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Proposal

I proposed unofficially merging P97 in a long time ago. Now I'm better at this and know how to do it proper. ;) So I'd like some comment on merging in P89 and P97. There's not much there that isn't here now. — RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib Reverts} 11:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I think the individual articles can be dispensed with now. The one possible exception would be an article for the P-345 (such article does not, to my knowledge, exist) because the P-345 is significantly different than the other P series guns. scot 15:28, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Disagree, as mentioned previously above I believe the separate articles provide more in depth information -- why should a reader be forced to wade through several pages of other information to attempt to find some particular detail that can quickly be presented on an individual page? I believe this desire to merge reflects bias on the part of authors; I am not in favor of mc-monster pages. Doug 18:58, 1 Aug 2006 (EDT)

But at what point to you split the articles? Do you have separate articles for the P-85, P-85 MKII, and P-89? Do you have different articles for the standard, decocker, and DAO models? The Picatinny rail models? What about the K- models? Those articles would be 90% the same, and keeping them in sync would be very difficult. Putting all the general information in one spot is not only more compact, but allows the reader to follow the evolution of the model line, something that is not possible with multiple articles. Another argument in favor of putting the P-89 through P-97 together is that Ruger lumps all the aluminum framed models together; safety models into one manual, decockers into one, DAO into one. The P-95 Picatinny rail models (the only ones still in production) have safety and DC manuals, and the P-345 (which is functionally signficantly different) has safety and decocker manuals. See http://ruger.com/Firearms/PS-InstructionManuals-PI.html for the list of manuals, including which lines are still in production and which aren't. scot 03:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I see where you're coming from, but for me it is just about readers finding their information; all sorts of different lumpings can be argued -- for my nickle the monster merged articles just aren't a fit. Doug 01:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)