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Bart133 (t) 01:17, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Milepost / Bridgelogs

hey!

Just a small note; if you're wondeing wher the milepost information can be found: Caltrans bridgelogs!

there y'go

atanamir 11:52, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Interested in an L.A.-area Wiki meetup?

It appears as though L.A. has never had a Wiki meetup. Would you be interested in attending such an event? If so, checkout User:Eric Shalov/Wikimeetup.

- Eric 21:05, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

shields for wa/sr

I will do them this weekend if i find the time

atanamir 09:47, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Re: AZ/SR

Hi,

Yeah, i didn't sort it myself though -- i guess someone else saw it and sorted it for me.

atanamir 20:04, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

PS - sorry, i hanve't found the time to make the shields yet.

SoCal WikiProject

As a Southern Californian, you might be interested in the fairly new Southern California WikiProject (there is also the new statewide California WikiProject. Please take a look at the project and see if there is anything that you find interesting. Please contact me if you have any questions or comments. BlankVerse ∅ 15:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

List of California County Routes

Hey, can I get a little backup. Some guy keeps moving List of California County Routes to list of California county routes. He's under the mistaken impression that titles of articles aren't supposed to be capitalized. I'm trying to get this article to match List of California State Routes. Thanks Gateman1997 02:54, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Could I get some back up on Talk:List of California County Routes. Thanks man.Gateman1997 03:58, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Looks like he got cute and renamed List of California State Routes now too.Gateman1997 17:31, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
I say we put in an official request to move and cite both the proper noun aspect and the numerous examples including Main Page and Wikipedia:Manual of Style that violated their supposed rule. They have no basis to stand on. I took 18 years of English courses and titles of articles, books, etc.. are to be capitalized.Gateman1997 17:39, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Oh believe me I know. I've had issues with captalization on this site since I joined. I'm willing to accept that section titles don't get capitalized, but per half of Wikipedia's own "official" pages and proper English, titles of articles are to be capitalized. I'm putting the tag on California State Routes now. Please feel free to weigh in on the talk page ;)Gateman1997 17:48, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Can you take the Washington WikiProj, I'll hit the CA one and the AZ one.Gateman1997 17:53, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
I'll see about fixing that if I can find it.Gateman1997 18:10, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
It looks like we've had issues with the original editor before both Interstate 580 and List of three-digit Interstate Highways were incorrectly modified and moved by him.Gateman1997 20:59, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

True enough if and when they decide to label the nevade route as 395. It hasn't even been officially designated as such yet per my understanding of it. But regardless I was looking at that particular user's history and there is quite the history of controversial article renamings. Gateman1997 22:47, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Yeah I saw that talk page too. It's a mess. Most of the edits on it were later reverted. We're the first ones he's fought with. We're tied on County, ahead on State. Gateman1997 23:35, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

We need to get the rest of the big time posters involved. But frankly I'm not worried, they haven't yet gotten enough for "consensus".Gateman1997 17:23, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

You're doing a better job of defending this then I am. Well done.Gateman1997 17:53, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

No but I think we can close it ourselves as it's been 5 days and there is no consenus on the County Routes (which is default keep). And the state routes we won so feel free to be WP:BOLD and move it back.Gateman1997 17:18, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah they seem to have lost interest in bothering with it. CCR was also removed from the pages for move page by someone. I've removed CSR from that page as well now.Gateman1997 17:26, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh and for future reference we can use New Zealand State Highway network as a prime example of the point we were making.Gateman1997 17:29, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, for that one, it truely is a proper noun, but should be renamed to be all caps (i.e. New Zealand State Highway Network). BlankVerse ∅ 06:14, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
  - Explain to me that one? How is New Zealand State Highway any more of a proper noun then California State Route? You use double standards and have now been caught at it.
    - Reread what I wrote. "New Zealand State Highway Network" is a proper noun, which is the reason that I said that ALL words in the title should be capitalized. If the title had been "New Zealand state highway" instead, the state highway in that title is not a proper noun and should not be capitalized. In the same manner, "interstate highway" is not a proper noun, but "Interstate Highway System" is a proper noun. Caltrans is a proper noun, but "state route" is not a proper noun. BlankVerse ∅ 08:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Also Rschen, he's removed your stub tag from Interstate 710. Gateman1997 06:51, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Because it is no longer a stub. The stub templates are only for use on short articles—less than 10 sentences usually. Once they are large than that, they may still need work, but they are no longer stubs and they should have the stub templates removed from them. BlankVerse ∅ 08:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:WikiProject California State Highways, a stub is used to note the articles that need routeboxes, etc. Okay, sure, we could have used the {{cleanupcsh}} template instead. What template? Oh yeah, the template that you guys tried to delete a month ago! Now I remember!--Rschen7754 17:43, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

(Sorry... my stupid browser won't let me type into long pages, so thats why I didn't leave BlankVerse a note on their talk page.

If you will reread Wikipedia:WikiProject California State Highways, the page says absolutely nothing about when the CSH stub template should be used. Instead, you should use the info at Wikipedia:Stub for your guidance, which says that a stub is usually 3-10 sentences. The stub templates are only supposed to be placed on very short articles and once they gets beyond that the stub page suggests using {{cleanup}}, although I suggest that a much getter way to go is to add the {{todo}} template to the article's Talk page where you can lists exactly what needs to be added or changed on the articles /Todo subpage. BlankVerse ∅ 22:37, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Okay, fine, then I'll use the {{cleanupcsh}}, but I don't have the time to go through every single highways page and change that. Sorry. --Rschen7754

Please take a look at Talk:Interstate 710 to see how I've used the {{todo}} template. The big problem that I see with {{cleanup}} is that only in a very small number of the cases where it is added to a page is it obvious what needs to be done to improve the page. This also means that editors then have no benchmark on when the cleanup template can be removed. I'd rather not see the template used at all. I think that it is much, much better to add some explanation on an article's Talk page (either using the Todo template, or in a new section) saying exactly where the article needs improvement and what changes need to be made. BlankVerse ∅ 22:10, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

The reason I just slap stubs on articles is because I just go through the articles (CA-1, CA-2, etc.) and just put the stub template and the WP template on... I really don't have the time for the todo work. (It involves a subpage besides an additional template.) I don't mind the todo thing but it just takes time. By the way the routebox template is {{routeboxca2}}. Please use that not the southern ca routebox. Instructions are on the CASR WP page. --Rschen7754 03:25, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

Washington State Routes Project

Could you please increase the spacing around the WSR Box, it is encroaching on text in the articles, and over lapping the Interstate Boxes on Interstate 405 (Washington) TEG 18:56, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Rpute Shields

SR-970 and 971 Shields Are finished and uploaded. Thanks for letting me know. TEG 05:08, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

State Law

Washington RCW Code for State Highway Route

Stub names

Hi - I've moved the new templates you created to more correct stub names {{UShighway-stub}} and {{Interstate-stub}}. The stub template names you created aren't in line with the stub naming guidelines, as was pointed out a couple of times during debate on the new stubs you were planning at WP:WSS/P. Grutness...wha? 01:22, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

VfD

Hey, there is another move afoot to start VfD'ing all State Routes and Highways at Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Florida_State_Road_300. Since you've worked on several WikiProjects related to State Roads and Highways, figured you want to vote. Roby Wayne ^{Talk • Hist} 18:20, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikiproject: US Highway

I have posted some concerns about this project on its talk page. I think odd numbered highways should be listed north-south as opposed to south-north (this seems to be already the case on most of these highways and seems to be the convention outside Wikipedia). I think the Infoboxes may be including too much information. Rt66lt 14:22, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I must agree with Rt66 on this. I was looking at the 101 page after the latest changes and it's just too long. The new infobox has way too much info to be useful. I actually preferred the simplistic infobox it replaced that had the quick basic info on the highway and the two route shields. The current infobox only has the Oregon/Washington shield and is totally missing it's CA shield now. I'm going to revert it until we decide we want to make changes to or modify the larger routebox so the US highways have consistency.Gateman1997 07:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

California 7

Just the part from CA-98 to the border exists so far. Don't really know if they're going to finish building up to I-8.

Titan Rain article

If you'd like, I could send you a copy of the Titan Rain TIME magazine article as a PDF. Use the "E-mail this user" function on me if you're interested. I took a look at it and it looks legit to me. --Fastfission 19:37, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Please clean up after page moves

As stated on the 'Move page' screen in bold type, if you choose to move a page it is your responsibility to make sure to fix any broken/double redirects the move causes. When you moved Interstate 295 (Rhode Island/Massachusetts) to Interstate 295 (Rhode Island-Massachusetts) several days ago, you left more than 80 broken links. I may try to fix a few for you, but I'd rather follow my agenda than be forced into yours. In the future, if you don't feel like cleaning up the links, please don't move the page--put the suggestion on the Talk page or requested moves. Thanks. Waterguy 16:25, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

That's cool. I thot it might have just been an oversight, but I figured if you just didn't know about it, and I didn't say anything you might never know. There's so much to keep track of here, and there's far too much documentation to absorb all at once. Happy editing. Waterguy 00:56, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

US 101

That's fine. I already reverted it temporarily. I hate to remove hard work, but it was just ridiculously long. That's why I think we agreed on only major interesections. It just gets out of control if we don't. Besides I doubt anyone but a road geek like you or I would care where US 101 interescts CA-whatever.Gateman1997 23:54, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah sure, no problem. If you do can you add the CA US shield like the current box has. I think it's important to highlight the fact that California shields are both equal to the 49 other state's shields on the few US routes that come through CA. Gateman1997 00:03, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Stubs

How about no. You apparent have no idea what the "stub" markers are for, based upon you marking of particaly Interstate highway article as a stub. Let me explain it to you, according to WP:Stub

Stubs are articles which have not yet received substantial attention from the Wikipedia editors. They have been created, but don't yet contain enough information to be truthfully considered articles. The community believes that stubs are far from worthless. They are, rather, the first step articles take on their course to becoming complete.

A stub is an article which is clearly too short, but not so short as to be useless. In general, it must be long enough to at least define the article's title. This generally means 3 to 10 short sentences. Note that a longer article may be a stub if the topic is complex enough; conversely, a short article on a topic which has a very narrow scope may not be a stub.

Another way to define a stub is that an article so incomplete that an editor who knows little or nothing about the topic could improve its content after a superficial internet search or a few minutes in a reference library is quite probably a stub. One that can only be improved by a rather knowledgeable editor, or after significant research, may not be a stub.

Sizable articles which lack wikification or copy editing are generally not considered stubs, and the normal procedure is for one of the cleanup tags to be added to them, instead. Note that small articles with little information may end up being nominated for deletion. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, but has a sister project—the Wiktionary—which is. If your article is very short consider either moving it to the Wiktionary or, even better, adding more information to it.

Once a stub has been properly expanded and becomes an article rather than just a stub, you or any editor may remove the stub tag from it. No admin action or formal permission is needed.

you also might want to look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting as well. Stubs are nor for to-do list nor are they for article taging for article at are not in the "guidlines" of a project. Thats that project tags are for and project to-do list are for. Ans apparently based upon you action s, you "project" need a to do list, and not to mis lable articles stubs that are not stubs. So if i come across an article in which is not a stub but has the stub marker on it i am going to remove it. Also you might want to check to make sure what you say about how many artciles that i have de tagged, 3 does not equal 200. --Boothy443 | comhrá 02:57, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Being that you still do not understand what a stub is, being you own ingnorance or soome other probley problem that you have with the undeerstanding of the english language or policy. The projoect guidlines do not superceed wikipedia policy. Now if you refer to the stated above and to the pages cited above and read them, which apparenty you havrnt, you will see that stub is about article content, and not standards of the form of the article which is a cleanup task Aslo not fo to-do list. As for your tagging abilities, you seemed to have found the time to mis-tag articles as a stub, so i dont see the reson why yu cant fix your mitake. Like i said before if i come across article that i see as a stub based on the policy and guildiles of stub in wikipeda that have been used then i will remove the tag, their will be no waiver in my actions.

1-15

Yes, it does cross as a junction now to the I-5. Drdr1989 03:57, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Category:Massachusetts State Route stubs Cfd

Hi, stubs are handled by WP:SFD (stubs for deletion). However, since you are the creator of the category, you can just add {{db}} to it and request speedy deletion. Then you can null edit the one article to have it appear in the new category. I have closed the Cfd listing and suggest you list it on WP:SFD or just make the changes yourself, seeings you are the only contributor and there is only 1 article. If you have any questions, feel free to ask, I may take some time to respond as I have limited net access. ∞Who ?¿? 22:06, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi - I've just speedied the misnamed stub category. Of course, this all begs the question of why you didn't go through proper procedure and propose the new stub template and category at WP:WSS/P, where these things are supposed to be discussed prior to creation. Both the category and - especially - the template have some problems with how they're constructed, too. I've added this one to the "discoveries" page at WP:WSS/D. Feel free to leave any comments about it there. Grutness...wha? 02:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Opps - sorry - must've forgotten that one. Still there are problems with it (particularly the way the category links to other categories, and also the name of the template, though the naming of State Highway stub templates in general is a bit weird). Grutness...wha? 02:48, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for reverting my user page. It was much appreciated! — Knowledge Seeker দ 04:24, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Jaxl's RfA

Thank you for your support vote on my RfA! Rob e rt 16:12, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

WV Highways

There are several West Virginian's working on this entry. We created a template to make it easy to navigate. Our template is based on the US Highway and Intestate templates. It has been vandalised, along with the individual highway entries. Could you please help keep people from messing with it until we get it finished. Thank You. --71Demon 04:10, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Stop putting in the TFD notice

We are working on finishing the link. We are residents of West Virginia and have been working on it when we get the chance. It makes it difficult to finish when we have do deal with people that just seek these things out and add their $0.02 and they have nothing in our state. --71Demon 04:13, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Rschen7754, your accusing me of vandalism, when somebody deleted hours of work without any discussion? As common courtesy, if I see someone working on an entry in depth. Then I will not mess with it. I may suggest something, but I will leave it to them to deside. Like California Highway is in bad need of a template, but I see you are working on it, so I will not do it. I would suggest you do it to make it easy to navigate. I have other entries I want to work on. I have a full time job, and can't spend the time I would like on Wikipedia, but I do what I can. I have been wasting time on saving something that is common sense, and not being able to work on othe projects. --71Demon 04:25, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I have asked for page protection so that the TFD template will stay in place. Adding a TFD notice is NOT vandalism; rather, removing it is. --Rschen7754 04:27, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Don't be so rough, his user contributions prove he's a good editor, not an outright vandal. It's quite stressful to have something nominated for deletion, so cut him some slack, ok? Tito xd 04:48, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

California Highways

My intent is to bring it up for deletion in favor of a template. Since templates are easier to read, than listed. List are ackward. Templates are compact, and show more data on a smaller space on the screen. I figure our oppinions are equal, so I should express mine. What is the proper format for me to express my opinion? --71Demon 04:49, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I created the page. I had to hit enter 4 times before it would go for some reason. I voted to Keep, but mearly explained the easy way to keep the infor and conform to the Wiki. Well you can read it.--71Demon 05:11, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Rschen7754, now I voiced my opinion on the CA Hwy page, and through discussion intiated by my afd. You are improving the entry. Which is the ultimate goal of all of us that actually care about Wiki. Now since we are small state with only 100 state highways. Do you see why a template works well for us? Now you can see I did have an honest opinion about the CA page. I would like your support on keeping the template for WV. It works for our state. Thanks. 71Demon --71Demon 06:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

WV template

Yeah, sorry about that. It has been fixed. --SPUI (talk) 06:50, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Interstate System

If you want to be helpful, help me find orginal References on Interstate Highway that we vandalized. --71Demon 22:37, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Never mind, I miss read it, it is ok. Long day. I wish my list for things on Wiki to work on was that short.--71Demon 23:42, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

User:71Demon

Per my personal editing philosophy, I have removed the following [1] personal attack by User:71Demon from my talk page, and left an admonishment for the attack on his talk page. BlankVerse 07:12, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

No personal attack was made, this statement was a fabrication and Slander and libel. I[2] false claim by User talk:BlankVerse --71Demon 23:00, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
- I never used the term Nazi, I used the term Wikinazi. In the context used is merely means an over zealous editor. One taking editing to the extreme without regard for others efforts, putting himself before other editors without cause. Being you attempted to dismantle the work of West Virginia editors on entries dealing with West Virginia, when you yourself are from California, and not out of high school yet. It is my opinion that you fit this definition. I believe that you should have made some attempt to contact the editors that had been working hard on those entries, prior to dismantling them. How many classes in West Virginia History do they teach prior to 10th grade in the California school system? I believe you are for the most part a good editor, but you do lack knowledge on certin things. I would not attempt to edit medical entries, because I'm not a doctor. I do understand your enthusiasm, but all I ask is that you temper it with some restraint. We could work better together than apart. I have thrown out several olive branches, please accept one. If I'm wrong and you have had classes in West Virginia History, then by all means I will apologize. --71Demon 23:16, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Since 71Demon has archived my reply on his talk page, here is my response to his post [3]. As for his claim that there is some difference between Nazi and Wikinazi, I suggest that 71Demon ask a dozen experienced Wikipedia editors their opinion on the issue and especially on the context that it was used (randomly select people from the Wikipedia:List of administrators for example), and he will find that all, or almost all, will say that there are only niggling differences between the two terms and that both are considered highly derogatory. As for his claim of libel, he should read the article he linked to, especially the mention of "Fair Comment" and truth as a defense. As for his threat of legal action here, he should consider Wikipedia:No legal threats. It was prudent that he removed it.

If you truly feel that the "Issue has been resolved" between the two of you, you should go ahead and archive this discussion and I will do the same on my talk page. BlankVerse ∅ 05:49, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Template:VA_Highways

I was wondering about the status of this — the two templates (the WV one) are starting to cause hassle. If the WV is kept, should the VA one be renominated? -Splash^talk 23:04, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

great job

Hey Rschen,

wow, it's been a long time since CA/SR wp was in its infancy. Remember when we first started to tinker around with the routeboxes? haha! Just wanted to commend you on how the wp and the overall quality of articles. They're a lot better than when i was wokring on them! Great job for staying so dedicated to wiki! ^_^. I hope all is going well with you.

atanamir 11:25, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Creating dead links.

Please when you move a highway from its WVxx, MDxx, VAxx, etc location, please put in redirects so you don't create dead links. Thanks --71Demon 22:36, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Good add Maryland-State-Highway-Stub to the MD 135 Entry. Thank You, keep up the good work. --71Demon 23:39, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

WV Editors

Several of us discussed it. We thought it was a good idea. --71Demon 01:38, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

We discussed that, but don't see the need for a Highway specific stub. We believe the road stub will work well for us and be more versital. Thank you for your thoughts. --71Demon 02:00, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
- Keep one thing in mind when ever you do anything. KISS Keep It Simple, Stupid The simpler solution is usually the better one. That works in a lot of aspects of life. --71Demon 02:20, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

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