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[edit] Robert Stein III

A tag has been placed on your article Robert Stein III, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be a biographical account about a person, group of people, or band, but it does not indicate how or why he/she/they is/are notable. If you can indicate why Robert Stein III is really notable, I advise you to edit the article promptly, and also put a note on Talk:Robert Stein III. Any admin should check for such edits before deleting the article. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Please read our criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 7 under Articles. You might also want to read our general biography criteria. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. To contest the tagging and request that admins should wait a while for you to assert his/her/their notability, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and then immediately add such an assertion. It is also a very good idea to add citations from reliable sources to ensure that your article will be verifiable.

I noticed that you have listings for Trilobyte, the 7th guest cdrom game, and Graeme Devine.

I am a major contributor to most of the titles created by Trilobyte, as I was a key member during its entire existance.

If you need confirmation of my involvment with those products, or other claim, I can provide.

My concern with your edits to Robert Stein III and Trilobyte has to do with Wikipedia's guidelines on vanity articles. Editors are strongly discouraged from creating or writing articles about themselves, because it is difficult to write about oneself from a neutral point of view. I hope my concerns and my edits did not come off as rude. Please take a look at some of the links below, that are very helpful for new editors. I hope you will continue to contribute. TMS63112 22:14, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I did not find your comments rude. I fully understand your concerns. I will refrain from writing about myself.

However, I would hope that my edit to "Trilobyte" would remain. Not only did I list myself, I listed all contributors to "The 7th guest" that were not mentioned. These contributors (Mathew Costello, Gene Bodio and Alan Iglesias) were not just minor contributors. Mathew was an acomplished writer before Tbyte hired his services, and he should probably have his own listing here. And Gene, Alan and myself should be concidered pioneers with regard to bringing 3d to the Gaming world. (yes, there were many hundreds of 3d artists in film and video at the time, but in 90-91 you could count the 3d artist in gaming on one hand.)

I would like to express a concern I have about "Not" writing about myself. I have had a similar issue with MobyGames.

I wrote them years ago to add some of my game credits. There response was similar to yours.

Years later I find that most of the credits I tried to add have been added by others...but there are also credits listed on my page that I had nothing to do with....because thay are getting me mixed up with another Robert Stein (not the one on wiki) that worked at Microsoft as a game artist the same time I did.

So, while viewing wikipedia the other day, I noticed that people and companies that I would have normally concidered unimportant in the grand sceme of things were listed here. My adding myself has less to do with vanity and more to do with "Credit were credit is due" and "Accuracy".

Do you know how many times I have gotten an email from somebody saying they saw my listing (Robert Stein) at wikipedia and that they were totally surprised that I was the guy that started the Voyager Company.....well, its not me....but I think I'll start taking credit for it in the future. :-)

You know, I use to get phone calls for that guy, long before Wikipedia came along.

So...if somebody else writes about me, will I be able to edit out incorrect information?

Thank you for your time

Thank you for understanding my concerns, and thank you for contributing your expertise to Wikpedia on a topic you are familiar with. I was concerned about your edits to Trilobyte because they came at the same time that you wrote the article about yourself. People sometimes add information about themsleves (or a fictional person) to an article in order to make that person seem important. We deal with a lot of hoaxes and a lot of vanity. I was concerned that might have been the case here. From what you've told me, I wouldn't have a problem with it being restored.

I understand your concern about Wikipedia having articles about some people and companies, and lacking articles about others that are equally, if not more notable. That is one of the weaknesses with Wikipedia, but also, always a reason for people to create new articles.

You might conisder editing some other pages about topics you are familiar with, or creating articles about people such as Matthew Costello who you think are notable enough for an encyclopedia article. Generally people are discouraged from editing pages about themselves. If someone else does create an article about you, and it contains inaccurate information, it is usually better to leave a note on the discussion page, and let another user correct it. You might also leave a note on another user's talk page (such as the user who added the inaccurate information) and ask them to correct it for you.

Hope this helps, and hope you will continue to edit. TMS63112 00:10, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Can I just echo TMS63112's comments, and of course extend another welcome to Wikipedia. The way to get stuff about you included is to take it to the Talk page of the relevant article. If the other editors on the article agree with you that it is significant, interesting, relevant and of course verifiable from reliable sources, they will add it. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 22:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello. Did you read all of TMS63112's comments. Quote"From what you've told me, I wouldn't have a problem with it being restored." Is there some sort of misunderstanding here? As I am new to this, I am now confussed. Perhaps you can contact TMS63112 and get some verification. Thank you very much

Hi! Sorry if my comments above were unclear. I was trying to indicate that I would not have a problem if the information about you and the other contributors was restored to the Trilobyte article. I'm not sure if it's better for you to add the information back or leave a note on the talk page for that article suggesting it be added back. . .Of course all of our pages develop through consensus of the editors who contribute. . .so if somone else thinks it doesn't belong there, they may change it, or raise concerns on the talk page. If you ever want to ask me other questions about Wikipeida, feel free to leave a note on my talk page. Thanks! TMS63112 16:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. Rs3 17:50, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

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[edit] Autobiography

The article you created was listed for deletion as An article about a real person that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject, criterion 7 in the criteria for speedy deletion, Articles section. Since it appears to be about you I've moved it to your user space instead, which was probably what you intended in the first place (a common mistake among newcomers!).

If you really did mean to create an article about yourself please be aware that this is often considered a bad idea, even if you do meet the guidelines for inclusion of biographies.

I know Wikipedia can be confusing for new editors, so you are welcome to ask for help at the help desk or on my talk page.. I see you are in dialogue above on this issue. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 22:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

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