User talk:Rossenglish

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Contents 1 Weymouth article 1.1 Re:Weymouth article 1.2 Some Issues 1.3 Sample Politics and Demographics section 1.4 Further Commentary 1.5 New nomination 1.6 Congratulations on Weymouth receiving featured status 2 Recent vandalism on my account

[edit] Weymouth article

[edit] Re:Weymouth article

I put in an infobox someone else mentioned which seemed more appropriate. Hope you like it. :) Oh, please double check that I didnt screw anything up in terms of information. - Tutmosis 16:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some Issues

I have some further issues with the article:

• This sentence sounds very akward and more information should be given: Emigrants from the town settled in Weymouth, Nova Scotia, and Weymouth, Massachusetts. Done
• "Weymouth is low lying" is used twice in a begging of a sentence, sounds akward when something is used twice. Done
• Could you compose a population comparison chart, like in Sheffield? Done just gotta put it on the page!
• "Politics" section is very broad, and is written assuming reader is familiar with England's politic practices. Could it be expanded to simplify it? Done
• "Goods traffic ceased in 1972." Why? Done
• This needs to be broken up : "In the 1980s the town centre was bypassed by the route to Portland, but the government's road building policy changed before the relief road could be completed and the busy A354 follows its original route through the suburbs of Upwey and Broadwey, where traffic problems are common at peak tourist times and particularly on event days such as the town's annual carnival. In addition to lack of support from central government, the project has been held up by opposition from residents and environmental groups, who object to the proposed route's partial destruction of a local nature reserve, AONB and SSSI." Done
• It seems the article is full of 2/3/4 sentence paragraphs. This is technically fine but it does take away from the visual layout and makes the article look stubby. Done
• I added fact templates that should be replaced with footnotes. Done
• Also I noticed the article is very to the point, in some places it be better to elaborate on some ideas. The most noticable ones I pointed out above. Done

Thanks. - Tutmosis 17:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem at all, just trying to be helpful. No point on commenting at fac's if your not going to elaborate on what you don't like. - Tutmosis 18:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I mentioned that I am not particlulary good at editing scripts, I don't know how to add the population comparision chart you mentioned (!). I will try and find out how these things work, and have a bash at making up a table. ;) Rossenglish 18:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

If you need any help, I'm more then welcome to be of assistance. :) - Tutmosis 18:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I have taken all of your suggestions into account and acted accordingly, hope you like ;). I will hopefully soon add a population chart, and after a bit of research, I will pad out those short paragraphs. Give a few more days and Weymouth will look better than ever. Thanks Tutmosis. Rossenglish 19:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC) (N.B.) Help from all users, particularly current Weymouth/Dorset residents, will be especially helpful.

Oh man, it just hit me. The article speaks nothing of demographics, crime rate etc. Maybe something should be done about that too? What you think? - Tutmosis 03:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC) Done

Nice idea Tutmosis, I will do some digging on some Dorset council websites ;) I know of a website with that on.

I think the population comparison chart would be good in a Demographics section too.Rossenglish 07:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

That's how I came across the idea, I was thinking where are you going to put the chart if you make one. And it hit me that the article is missing such a section. - Tutmosis 19:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I've researched the data for demographics, population for different years, ethnicity, age structure, and made tables and saved it in Word, but I'm not good at aligning tables and stuff, so I'm still working on the new section. Should be up soon when I figure it out properly! Rossenglish 18:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's a simple table, let me know how you want to make it different and i'll change it. Enjoy. - Tutmosis 16:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I can manage to use that , and change the data for other tables, but I can't align them properly. I'll have a go at putting this and another table or to into this page, in a fake demographics section. If I can't work out anything I'll speak up! Thanks so much Tutmosis =) Rossenglish 16:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Here you are, a sample of a possible demographics section. If you have any comments, or want to change it in any way, go right ahead, you seem more experienced than me! Hopefully this, or an improved version of it, shall be placed in the Weymouth article shortly! Rossenglish 16:58, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... I like it, also maybe mention crime? Also would it be possible to combine this section with politics, since both sections deal with people from Weymouth? Last thing that "The table opposite shows" sentence starter has to go. - Tutmosis 17:13, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Your suggestions have been aknowledged! Hopefully you will agree, I shall shortly add this new section to the Weymouth article =) Rossenglish 10:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Very nice indeed. I'll go through the article with further commentary. - Tutmosis 15:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sample Politics and Demographics section

The district of Weymouth and Portland was formed on April 1, 1974 under the Local Government Act 1972, and was a merger between the borough of Weymouth and Melcombe Regis and the nearby Portland urban district. The Mayor of Weymouth and Portland is Howard Legg, with David Harris as Deputy Mayor; both are members of the Liberal Democrat party.^[1]

Weymouth and Portland and Purbeck districts are in the Dorset South parliamentary constituency, created in 1885. The constituency elects one Member of Parliament. The current MP for Dorset South is Jim Knight, a member of the Labour Party, who currently holds the post of Minister of State for Schools.

Dorset South was the second most marginal seat in the 2001 elections, being only won by 153 votes. At the 2002 general election, Jim Knight was elected the member of Parliament for Dorset South, which was the only constituency in which Labour gained votes from the Conservative party in that year. This may have been due to a high-profile anti-Conservative tactical voting campaign which was conducted in Dorset by MP Billy Bragg. Whilst Jim Knight was expecting to have a difficult 2005 election, he won with a margin of 1,812 votes. This was in contrast to many other areas, where Labour suffered a noticeable decline in the popular vote.

Year	Population[2]
1971	42,370
1981	45,090
1991	48.350
2001	50,920
2004	51,760

Age	Percentage[3]
0-15	18.3
16+17	2.3
18-44	32.4
45-59	20.8
60-84	23.2
85+	3.1

In 2004 Weymouth's population was 51,760, in an estimated built up area of 1850 hectares (18.5km²) ^[4]. This give an approximate population density of 28 residents per hectare. In 2005 there were 23,405 dwellings in Weymouth. Mainly as a result of migration, the population of the town has grown steadily over the past 35 years. As is the case with many seaside towns, there is an above average number of older residents (60 - 84), however the largest proportion of the population is between the ages of 18 to 44. The population is largely of native English origin, with 98.8% of residents being of white background ^[5].

The area's crime rates are below average compared to the UK, with Weymouth's rate of 13.4 crimes per 1000 households lower than that of England and Wales (14.4/1000). However, Weymouth's crime rates are above those of the South West England average of 10.7 per 1000. The town's house prices are relatively high by UK standards, yet around average for most of the south of England. The average price of a detatched house in 2005 was £278,284, with an average apartment or maisonette costing £134,812 ^[6].

[edit] Further Commentary

• The lead does not summarize the article properly, it should summarize every section, so pretty much it should be 1 sentence per section. Done
• The population stats in the template and lead need updating since they are for the whole district not only Weymouth. The population in the demographics you just did seems right. Done
• "Weymouth originated as a post-Conquest" conquest by who? Done (couldn't find reference, deleted phrase)
• "(The few earlier references appear to be to the geographical feaure of the mouth of the River Wey from which the settlement took its name, not to the settlement itself.)" First the brackets should be removed. 'references' by who? also probably needs a footnote. Done (couldn't find reference, deleted phrase)
• "Contracts for local bus services are held by First Group, which bought the local Southern National company, and by the local transport company, Sureline.". That "and by" part makes little sense. Done (deleted, no info on 'Sureline' to be found)
• "Culture, recreation and sport" section speaks little of "Culture and recreation". Can any be done about that? Done
• added 7 fact templates, apperently looking through history I forgot to press save last time. Done ~

Anyway, I'll support if this gets fixed. Great job with the demographics. :) - Tutmosis 15:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh man, I have another concern. Only does it mention in one picture caption about the town's architecture. Can anything be found regarding the city architecture and added to the article? Done- Tutmosis 17:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

OK no probs, Im citing all the fact templates at the moment, but I'll make sure all your concerns are addressed in due course. By the way, for extra help, I submitted the article for peer review, hope you agree! Rossenglish 17:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay just noticed this run-on sentence. "In their early history Weymouth and Melcombe Regis, the town and borough established on the north and east side of the harbour, were rivals for trade and industry, but the towns were united in an Act of Parliament in 1571 to form the double borough of Weymouth and Melcombe Regis, since when both towns have become known simply as Weymouth." I'm not that good at spotting punctuation mark concerns, so someone should check the rest of the article. Done

Also I don't know if this is happening on your computer but I hate gaps, especially the one created by that second picture in 'History'. Article says that right now the harbour is used for pleasure boats and a bit of fishing, but what was it historically used for? Try to watch from creating double wikilinks, normally an article should wikilink something only once. Also it's a common guideline that the 'see also' section shouldn't list anything that was already mentioned in the text itself. Done (per GTL). - Tutmosis 18:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Another thing is this wierd sentence "This is probably not true as King George died before its completion." Probably true? Wouldnt this definetely be true? First I would rephrase the sentence before it to say "myth", and then rephrase this sentence to say "This has been confirmed to be false because King George died before its completion." or something in similar fashion. Done - Tutmosis 18:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I have another question, were any famous or notable people born or took up residence in Weymouth? Would be a good thing to mention in History. Or was the town ever part of a large event/tragedy? Done - Tutmosis 19:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

There's no more events etc I have found, except about the plague, and the Battle of Weymouth, and I dont know of any notable people to do with Weymouth, except King George III. I believe Christopher Wren had something to do with Weymouth - Ill find out what exactly and add it in with citations. Rossenglish 19:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes Christopher Wren was MP for weymouth, and Sir James Thornhill was MP for Melcombe Regis - Ill add that to History now! Done Rossenglish 19:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

• Wow, thats alot of new stuff added to the article, thanks once more for your suggestions, I'll keep researching things, and improving on bits of the article in the same ways you have mentioned. I'm off to try and expand that sport section now! I really can't believe how much better and more detailed the article looks and reads now. Rossenglish 19:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Yea definetely looking much better. A little note though, that new section you added, this sentence makes little sense: "Sir James Thornhill, a famous 17th Century artist who decorated the interior of St Paul's, was born in 'The White Hart' in Weymouth, and MP for Melcome Regis in 1722.". The "and MP for Melcome Regis in 1722" doesnt make any sense, and what's the 'White Hart'? But yea, this article definetely improved. Your done a great job. Done- Tutmosis 19:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Duly noted and changed. The last thing I have to do is sort out a better intro to the page, and expand that slim looking sport section. Done Rossenglish 20:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Agh I wouldn't worry about it. Renominate the article in 2/3 weeks time. Also it be good to ask people around to copyedit the article before you renominate it, me personally I'm not very good at that. - Tutmosis 23:48, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Dont get discouraged, the article failed before I supported (my mistake). It failed because it had 2 oppose votes and no supports for a long period of time. Never the less you improved the article significantly and I'm sure it will pass if you renominate it. It's just a good gesture to wait atleast 2 weeks before renoming an article. - Tutmosis 16:16, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New nomination

Hey I just read your comment on my talk page and noticed the FAC. I still haven't come up with any other problems since we last talked. The only tiny problem left is there a few double wikilinks and I tried to fix some. Anyway, I voted support since I do think this article has reached FA quality after all the work you've done and just want to wish you good luck since it's now up to the rest of the community. - Tutmosis 16:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks alot Tutmosis, especially for your help. I'm just going to edit the article based on the rest of the community's comments now, and the article should be FA. Rossenglish 16:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh by the way, when your using the same reference, you dont have past the code over again.
Example, Instead of doing this:

• John is a man.^[7] — <ref name="book">Book #1, page 20. Book Publisher 2000</ref>
• John is 20 years old.^[7] — <ref name="book">Book #1, page 20. Book Publisher 2000</ref>

Simply:

• John is a man.^[7] — <ref name="book">Book #1, page 20. Book Publisher 2000</ref>
• John is 20 years old.^[7] — <ref name="book" />

You dont have to paste the same reference information over again, only the first time, the second, third etc. times it's good enough to just paste the ref name and it will automatically realize which reference your refering to, per example above. It will save space and make it less confusing to edit. - Tutmosis 17:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering what the ref name was for! Thanks alot, I wouldn't have known that otherwise! Rossenglish 17:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations on Weymouth receiving featured status

		The Original Barnstar
		For your persistence and hard work in getting Weymouth to featured status, I, Tutmosis, award you this for your great effort. - Tutmosis 00:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the award, if you ever need any help in the future I'll be glad to help out. - Tutmosis 02:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent vandalism on my account

I accidentally left my account logged in and one of my mates has used my account to vandalise some pages, I dont know quite which ones, so sorry in advance =(, I have changed my password and it won't happen again. Sorry again Rossenglish 14:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)