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[edit] Biography
The second paragraph states "Upon returning to the U.S...". The previous paragraph doesn't mention where he left to. Please correct mistake by either stating where he left to, or deleting that quote altogether.
[edit] "In 1996..."
The paragraph that talks about Freak Of The Week has way too many "he also..."s in it. Someone should try to combine or smooth out that paragraph.
Removed from article:
- An extra-large common pork sausage was named after him.
Nah. Ortolan88
Hmmm. I've just noticed that this page in its original format was a direct copy of [1].
User:ChicXulub 19:32 27 Mar 2004
- It's been a while but here's your answer: You've got that one the wrong way around. That site is using the original Wikipedia article. - Vague | Rant 02:59, Jan 13, 2005 (UTC)
Wasn't he accused of raping Ginger Lynn? Mike H 00:56, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Fractions, UNICODE, size
Is there a guideline for this anywhere? Thanks to the extensive flexibility built into UNICODE, fractions can be composed in a variety of ways, using a variety of digit systems. Surely it's easier to just write "9.75"?
- 9¾ should be preferred over 9.75, since the accuracy is ¼ inches, rather than 0.01. Likewise, the use of two decimal accuracy in the metric conversion is unjustified, since ¼ in. equals 0.635 cm – meaning that 24.8 cm is already more accurate a figure than 9¾ in. BTW, the guy weighs 210 lb. (95 kg).
A Google search supports 9-3/4" over 9-7/8".
IceKarma 11:38, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC)
I'm glad Alkivar's had the honor of meeting Ron Jeremy, but do you think we could trim the picture so as to cut Alkivar out of it? It looks like Wikipedian advertising. Anyone looks at that and they'll think, hey, who's that guy standing beside Ron? But if we provide the answer to that, it's essentially vanity. Everyking 01:28, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
I agree with you Everyking, I actually replaced the photo. and I've also had a problem with a certain user actually restoring several of Alkivar's photos (i've removed Alkivar from over 20 articles at this point). Please go to my talk page to express your opnion. Themindset 00:28, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Career stats
That link to his Internet Adult Film Database entry gives him 1,878 credits as an actor, and 263 as a director. Shouldn't these more accurate figures be used in the article itself? Surely this has to be a better source than the one that gave the vague numbers of 2,000 and 100!
IMDB is like Wiki, edited by 'users'. The Ron Jeremy list of movies increases rather constantly as other movies that aren't in the database are found by users. Numbers from IMDB will most always be inaccurate.
[edit] POV
There's a lot of POV language in here. "volcano of academic talent" "flirted with by [the school]" blahblahblah. Also... proof that he is bisexual? --Thorns Among Our Leaves 22:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
- I think about the only proof your going to find he's bisexual are the 30 odd gay pornos he made. I'm pretty sure he self identifies as hetero. ALKIVAR™
00:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
- Precisely my point. "Gay-for-pay" does not a bisexual person make. Thorns Among Our Leaves 01:11, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Penis size
Please, let's get real here. Ron Jeremy's penis is very large- much larger than average- but I strongly doubt it measures 9.75 inches in length. After all, if it did, his penis would be as long as his entire forearm- if not longer, since Jeremy is only 5'6" tall. And it would dwarf the size of most of his female co-stars' forearms. Clearly, it isn't as long as his forearm, or the vast majority of his co-stars' forearms, either. So, how big is Jeremy's penis really? My guess is somewhere between 8 and 9 inches, which is similar to Peter North's size- only North's penis is somewhat thicker. I strongly recommend that Ron Jeremy's penis length measurement be downgraded to something more realistic, such as the above range of 8-9 inches.
Solcis 05:06, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, it's definately not 9.75 inches. The
HT Productions 22:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC) I have shot a video involving Ron and Rebecca Cummings and can say he is 9.75 inches. The preception that Ron is smaller is due to his being overweight. Granted I didn't measure it but know it was large and have no reason to doubt Ron when he says it's 9 3/4 inches.
See Human Penis Size and http://menshealth.about.com/cs/penishealth/a/penis_size_2.htm for more information on penis size and being overweight. On the funny side - when I Googled, overweight "Penis size", there is even an article on DentalPlans.com about this.
Maybe we have a bit of a misunderstanding here. When I say I think Ron is 8-9 inches in length, I'm referring to his pubic bone-pressed measurement. That is, a measurement taken with a ruler over the top of the penis, whie pressing into the public bone. His non bone-pressed measurement would obviously be shorter, due to his body fat. He has obviously lost some visible length as his body fat percentage increased over the course of his career. Take a look at this link (caution: explicit sexual content) for some comparative pics of Ron's penis with Angelica Sin's hands. Look at the picture right in the middle. Her hands cover all but an inch of his length. Even if his fat is covering as much as 1.5-2 inches of his penis, he's still going to be a maximum of 9 inches in terms of bone-pressed length. This is because Ms. Sin's hands, like the average woman's, are slightly larger than 3 inches in width.
If you still believe Ron Jeremy packs nearly 10 inches of bone-pressed length, let me ask you this: is Peter North's penis larger or smaller on this basis and what do you think his length is?
Solcis 23:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
CAUTION: All links contain adult sexual content or nudity.
The answer to your question can be found at http://www.xtoyszone.com/773xznsxa.htm and http://www.xtoyszone.com/4523xznsxa.htm
I also found two interesting pictures.
HT Productions 22:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but the dildo stats prove nothing. Just because a dildo is a certain size, doesn't mean it corresponds exactly with the porn star's real size. In fact, the makers have a vested interest to inflate the size of the product, so that it sells. As for Jeremy's before and after pics, I've seen those before. They, too, prove nothing. His flaccid penis is... well, very large in both pics. Unfortunately, he is neither erect, nor is there a suitable frame of reference from which to make a judgement on his size. I can't see how any conclusions can be drawn from what you've posted here.
You have yet to respond to what I've already posted, including the pics showing Angelica Sin handling Jeremy's penis. Also, please see the comments section of human penis size, along with this link. According to the statistics found on those pages, a penis that's 8.5 to 9 inches in length will only be found in 1 out of every 500 men. Something larger is statistically rare, such as what John Holmes carried and what Mandingo and Lexington Steele have today. That is to say, given what I've presented here, the odds are against Jeremy possessing a penis that's in excess of 9 inches in bone-pressed length. But I believe he may very well be as large as 9 inches- just no larger.
If you disagree, at least give me the courtesy of responding to what I've presented here, rather than going on and citing more reasons why you feel Jeremy is just short of 10 inches in length. Thank you in advance.
Solcis 23:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
The pictures were posted as "interesting" not as proof of anything except anyone who looks at the pictures can see the effect of body weight and age on the appearance.
The stills of the video clips you cite prove nothing. Your information on the video clips is based on speculation and assumptions. I've never measured width of Sinn's hands and don't know how much Ron weighs. Since her hands are blurry and her hair is in focus her hands are in motion. Did she start at the base with a firm grip and stroke to the top which would pull the skin at the base up too? I don't know I wasn't there.
To answer your question if I think Peter North's penis larger or smaller and what I think his length is? I would have to say Ron is larger and Peter North is 8.5". I have not seen Peter North's penis in person and base my answer solely on the size of the dildos that were molded from (not molded after) their penises that I mentioned previously. An interesting pic of North using the mold can be found by (going here and clicking on the picture of the package.)
By referencing Lex Steels' 11 inches and John Holmes' 13.5 inches you give more credibility to the fact there are people larger than 8.5 - 9.0 inches out there. You also mentioned "a penis that's 8.5 to 9 inches in length will only be found in 1 out of every 500 men" and "the odds are against Jeremy possessing a penis that's in excess of 9 inches in bone-pressed length." Even that allows for the possibility Ron is actually 9.75 inches.
All that doesn't matter.
As I stated previously I have seen Ron's penis, know it's large and have no reason to doubt his word. Even if I showed you a picture showing it was 9.75 inches I don't think it would convince you and rightfully so since pictures can be altered. I am the same way. I tend to be skeptical of a lot of things. Since the only way that you would be sure of Ron's size is if you were personally there when it got measured and I've spent more time talking about Ron's penis then I thought I ever would, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this.
HT Productions 02:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Don't forget the old maxim: "The camera adds ten pounds." It's true; everything appears slightly larger on film. --64.12.116.204 07:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Before you all start pontificating about your expertise on penis sizes, read this: What Was The Biggest Penis Size In Record? (BizarreMag.com) -JakeApple 19:23, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] metric system
"20.5 inches (24.76 cm)"
i'm not sure which is correct, but 20.5 inches is about 52 cm. anyway, seems 9.75 is correct. i'll let someone else cahnge it.
The article mentions "Upon returning to the US", but doesn't mention that he left the country, or where he went, or how long he stayed, etc. - Random browser
Can somebody please link to the source of the date of death being 25 May 2006? I cannot find a source for this anywhere online.
[edit] Unattractive
"Despite his short, overweight, and unattractive appearance..."
There can be little doubt that Jeremy's appearance agrees with his physical attributes, and his height and weight are, I assume, uncontestable. However, to say his appearance is unattractive is tantamount to calling his person unattractive, and somehow, I doubt that's something everybody would agree on. I recommend deleting the assertion that he's unattractive.
D021317c 10:46, 28 May 2006 (EDT)
[edit] Jewish
Where is the cite that he is Jewish and what is the relevance? The only time I ever see Jeremy called Jewish is by neo-Nazis trying to prove the depravity of "Jewish Hollywood." 75.3.233.208 09:59, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Of course it needs a cite, but isn't heritage always relevant in neutral biographies? Just because racist crazies point out that fact doesn't mean that stating it is inherently racist or irrelevant.198.24.31.108 16:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
In the Porn Star documentary, Ron has said himself he is a "non-practicing Jew." Unfortunately, I don't own it so I can't go word for word.
Well, obviously I can't back this up with any kind of proof I can show you, but I attended his debate with Chris Gross at JMU, and he briefly discussed his Jewish upbringing with the audience. He "bar-mitzvahed," in his own words.--Halloween jack 00:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- Given the wide circulation of this factoid by racist crazies, I think we should have a specific reason for including it in the article, rather than just including it "because". Nandesuka 01:38, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ron Jeremy Gay
Per the comment tacked on the end of the MTSU entry:
Since 2004 Ron has been participating in a series of gay movies as a top. He has been also having an affair with Mark Davis.
Is there any proof of this? It seems like someone randomly tacked it on the page and is borderline libelous. Either sources should be provided or it should be deleted.
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- That's... Creepy.
[edit] Nandesuka
You reverted my revert of the Ron Jeremy page, removing a link that has been in place for over two months. Please use the talk page before making significant changes. Regards205.188.116.133 20:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Unsourced and potentially defamatory material"
This is addressed to the User:Frise - you have practically blanked the article, using the statement "removing unsourced and potentially defamatory material". Your intentions may be honorable, but your actions constitute vandalism. If you have a problem with the material found in the article, please remove just the material in question. Wholesale removal is frowned upon. Tabercil 22:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- Please re-read the policy on Vandalism. Actions made in good faith (honorable intentions, as you put it) are never vandalism, so it is inappropriate for you to refer to them as such. Practically the whole article was unsourced and potentially defamatory, so it was removed. Restoring unsourced material is no different than if you had put it there in the first place, so be sure all your edits are properly sourced according to BLP policy. Frise 22:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Blanking
I have now removed the potentially libellous information from the article. Can I ask that editors on this page exercise some restraint over editing? Blanking a page is bad, revert warring is bad, discussing is good. So, please discuss more and blank less. If this sort of behaviour occurs again it will more than likely lead to the blockhammer being used.-Localzuk(talk) 23:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WP:BLP
I think that Frise has done the right thing here. Yes, it is entirely possible that he could have done more... by going through this thoroughly horrible article and trying to extract the tiny handful of facts which are properly sourced. I hope that he, or someone, will take the time to do so... fact-by-fact, very carefully.
But simply restoring the unsourced junk in this article and adding fact tags to it is not really enough. We must take quality very seriously, and this is precisely the intent of our ongoing efforts to raise quality standards.
The version I just blanked contained such gems as an unsourced claim that Mr. Jeremy is known as a "The Hedgehog", that he was but is no longer capable of autofellatio, that he was arrested on two occassions, that he has had unprotected sex with thousands of people, that he claims to have had sex with 5000 women, etc.
Are those claims true? Well, in the case of Mr. Jeremey who has admittedly led a colorful life, it seems likely that they are. But "it seems like something that could be true" must not be sufficient cause to re-introduce questionable material into Wikipedia, and if all that someone has time to do is nuke a bad article, the right response to those who want to restore it, is to restore it fact by fact, piece by piece, making absolutely certain that the quality is right.--Jimbo Wales 07:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] References
Before I add any information from this webpage linked to his biopic, would this constitute as a usable reference?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- It's a biased source promoting a product so anything reflecting that bias can't be relied on to be factual. The same considerations hold whether quoting a GM site about their cars or Bush about the Iraq war. WAS 4.250 08:40, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, it's his movie, right? In that case, it can at least be used as a source for what he claims is true about himself.—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 08:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- According to policy and guidelines we can use self-sources for articles about that subject. So, yes, it would be an acceptable source - so long as it was written in such a way as to say 'According to Ron Jeremys site'.-Localzuk(talk) 10:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- IMDB is reliable to a point, just as Wikipedia is reliable to a point. It can be relied on in most cases, given reasonable caution. The user submitted trivia bits should be regarded with a bit more suspicion than fairly run of the mill information like movie titles and release dates.--Jimbo Wales 17:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- What about IAFD or AFDB? The first is the recognized leading adult film industry-specific version of IMDB, and the second is a close rival. A large chunk of the information that was in the info box for Ron was probably originally taken from a combination of those three sites (IMDB, IAFD and AFDB) and if I go to add it all back into the article, I'll have to cite those three sites (in various permutations) as sources... In fact before you blanked the article I had used IAFD to cite his film count, and I'll likely be restoring that tidbit with the same source. Tabercil 18:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- I have created this test page to try and glean any useful information out of the last full version, including suitable references and other information.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Might want to be careful there. BLP applies everywhere on Wikipedia, not just the articles themselves. Frise 21:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Including in a sandbox to improve this article? Even in there, I've removed several unsubstantiated claims, leaving only a few uncited things. If you wish, you can go through that and see what may be useful in the main article, and when it is over with, the sub page can be deleted.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- If you've already gone through it, it's cool. Frise 22:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps you can see if there's anything in there that we can incorporate into the main article, then?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm having trouble finding reliable sources for most of it. Even the bit about MTSU, my alma mater. I think this was a perfect example of what I call a "common knowledge" article. It's easy to look at it and think, "Oh, everyone knows that about Ron Jeremy" but good reliable sources are harder to come by than one would think. Frise 22:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well I know the last three paragraphs (Oxford Union, Jeremy/Goss and memoirs) are all sourced, so I'll be adding them back into the main article. As well, the segment about the PETA ads is sourced as well. Tabercil 01:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm having trouble finding reliable sources for most of it. Even the bit about MTSU, my alma mater. I think this was a perfect example of what I call a "common knowledge" article. It's easy to look at it and think, "Oh, everyone knows that about Ron Jeremy" but good reliable sources are harder to come by than one would think. Frise 22:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps you can see if there's anything in there that we can incorporate into the main article, then?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Might want to be careful there. BLP applies everywhere on Wikipedia, not just the articles themselves. Frise 21:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- I have created this test page to try and glean any useful information out of the last full version, including suitable references and other information.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- What about IAFD or AFDB? The first is the recognized leading adult film industry-specific version of IMDB, and the second is a close rival. A large chunk of the information that was in the info box for Ron was probably originally taken from a combination of those three sites (IMDB, IAFD and AFDB) and if I go to add it all back into the article, I'll have to cite those three sites (in various permutations) as sources... In fact before you blanked the article I had used IAFD to cite his film count, and I'll likely be restoring that tidbit with the same source. Tabercil 18:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- IMDB is reliable to a point, just as Wikipedia is reliable to a point. It can be relied on in most cases, given reasonable caution. The user submitted trivia bits should be regarded with a bit more suspicion than fairly run of the mill information like movie titles and release dates.--Jimbo Wales 17:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, there are claims at the IMDB bio that he holds a Guinness record, but I am without the book here to figure out anything useful to cite it. Additionally, another book released by the onion has an interview with him, but I too, do not own it.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:50, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Looking good!
The article is vastly improved.
I invite those with an interest to also take a look at Judith A. Reisman, which I similarly stubbed a few days before this one, but not much has happened since then.--Jimbo Wales 19:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for the compliment Jimbo. There's much more info that needs to be added, especially about his early days in porn but I suspect it'll have to wait until his memoirs hits the bookshelves as I can't seem to locate any reliable sources online. Tabercil 00:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
