Talk:Ron Hextall

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I kinda feel like "perfected" is a strong word to use to describe Rick DiPietro..., anyone else think that just Brodeur can suffice? -Benthorot

→I agree, that sentence sounds like it was written by an islander's fan. No hockey expert (however defined) would say that DiPietro has "perfected" any aspect of the game. -Chiefhoser

[edit] Temper

Hextall was also known for being a little hot under the collar, not only in roughing it up with some opposing players but also for badgering officials and complaining about inference. I'm not really sure how to add this regarding NPOV, but I think you'll find this fairly well-documented elsewhere. Maybe noting his PIMs would be a place to start. Wencer 05:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No own goal

This is an ENCYCLOPEDIA... not every reader will know that hockey stat keeping is not the same as say football. A non fan may reasonably analogize. It is important to actually spell out that Hextall shot the puck directly into the net unimpeded, while Smith's goal was the act of the opposing team. That is niot vandaslism. that FACT that the scoring rules is silly is also a fact Bona Fides 14:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I think I fully explained the silly hockey scoring rule without being excessive. Football has an own goal so that a player's goal stats would not be inflated. It's like the error system of baseball scoring. Bona Fides 14:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

No, saying "this is a silly and stupid quirk of hockey statistics" is an opinion and subject to WP:POV. ccwaters 15:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

It is quirky if other sports don't do this... unless football is out of the pattern and say baseball assigns offensive credit to opponents error. The question should always be, what would a general non fan of this sport expect if you don't actually spell out the fact that we have a unique scoring rule. Bona Fides 16:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC) It would be stupid if the rule is so counter intuitive from analozing from otter sports that non fans would be prone to error. It is smart to choose obvious scoring systems. Bona Fides 16:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I just clicked on your POV link... I never thought that a scoring rule for stats would be controversial Bona Fides 16:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC) I don't think that it is.

Maybe the error is the assumption that if a "friendly" player is the last person to touch the ball/puck before it goes into the net then it is inherently that player's blame. Maybe it he was playing his role perfectly and it just bounced of him. The scoring concepts are just different. Hextall's article isn't the venue to compare or evaluate their merits. ccwaters 18:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)