Talk:Romnichal
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Are Romnichal ethnic Gypsies or simply considered Gypsies because of their way of life. I have seen images of Romnichal, never met one in person, and they do not look of Indian origin as do the Gypsies of Spain and the Balkans.--Burgas00 11:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, british-born Rom are genetically Rom, altho typically, visually leaning heavily towards fair-skinned. It may be worth pointing out that Romnichal (Romani Chal - Romany fellow) is Masculine, and Romnichel (Romani Chi/Chel - Romany girl) is feminine. Along which thread, I'm curious as to the source of the term 'Romnichal'? I've only ever heard/used the name Rom, or Sons & Daughters of Rome (Romany Chals and Romany Chies). As far as my (very limited) grasp of romanes, rom'ni chel is phonetic rather than a title. --Shaun 01:15, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
A Good reference for the family names (ancesterally 'tribes', current-day 'families' - please, not 'clan') is Romano Lavo-Lil, by George Borrow, 1844 (the 1905 edition of which is freely available from project gutenberg). It gives Hearne (lit. 'hairy fellow'), Stanley (from Stony Lea, geographical), Lovel (lit. 'amiable'), Boswell, Lee (lit. 'leek' or 'onion'), and Carter/Cartwright/Cooper - literally a Cart Fixer. The later, along with Miller (flour-fellow) and Smith (horseshoe-fellow) aren't anecdotal as the English also adopted professions as surnames at a similar stage. However; Stanley, Smith, Boswell, Cooper and Lee were very prominent families within the history of English Rom (and all outlined within same said source).
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Romnichals are consider gypsies because they are of gypsy desent that immigraded to The British Isle expecially England , Ireland, & some in scotland and do use the gypsy language Romnes ok just telling you
