Talk:Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Quebec
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Is the title appropriate? After all, there is more than one Bishop of Quebec. For example, see [1]. Perhaps Catholic Bishops of Quebec or Bishops of Quebec (Catholic) - Cafemusique 21:56 26 Jun 2003 (UTC)
- Dealt with by User:Efghij. --Menchi 20:51 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Shouldn't we label which ones are archibishops? Or state in the intro that starting from which-th is the archibishop? (Not the 1st 6 for sure). ---Menchi 20:51 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)
- Dealt with by User:Efghij, again. :-) --Menchi 23:25 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Two problems with the title:
1) it should not be capitalized; 2) all the archbishops are also bishops (for example, the list at Diocese de Montreal lists a particular one as "third bishop and first archbishop").
I had moved this to List of Roman Catholic bishops of Quebec, and likewise for the Montreal list, but efghij moved them back. May I ask why? - Montréalais
- 1) It should be capitalized. "Bishop of Quebec" is a title, just like "Prime Minister of Canada" or "King of Spain".
- 2) It's technically correct that all archbishops are also bishops, however it is somewhat counter-intuatve to list them all under "Bishops of Quebec".
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- - Efghij 19:00 20 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Titles are only capitalized when referring to a specific individual, or when placed before a name. So you say "the Queen" (meaning E2R), or "Queen Elizabeth," or "Queens Elizabeth and Mary." But you say "the kings and queens of France." So it should be "the bishops of Quebec," even if the current one is "the Archbishop of Quebec." And I don't think it's counterintuitive to include archbishops in a list of bishops, since the archbishops are bishops and are numbered in order beginning with the first bishop. - Montréalais
You are wrong, Montrealais. Specific titles are also capitalised, eg President of the United States, British Prime Minister. If you are talking about bishops generically, it is lowercased, as in president, king, pope, etc. If you are talking about a specific title, Archbishop of Canterbury, Archbishop of Armagh, Bishop of Quebec, President of Ireland, King of Spain, etc. If you are using the title in the plural, you keep it capitalised because you are still talking about a specific title, not bishops generically. Thus "kings and queens of France" is wrong. If you are writing about monarchs generically they are lowercased. But a specific title of a specific monarch or set of monarchs, it is capitalised, as King of France and Queen of France are specific titles, not generic ones. FearÉIREANN 23:18 20 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- Okay. Am I right in thinking that a list of bishops of Quebec would include the Archbishop of Montreal and so forth, but a list of Bishops of Quebec would only include those in the See of Quebec? - Montréalais
- How about we move it to Roman Catholic Bishop of Quebec or Bishop of Quebec (Catholic). It's more than a list really, and that's the format we use for other bishop articles. - Efghij 22:21 20 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- It could happen. - Montréalais
I believe the claim of this See being the oldest in North America is factually incorrect. That honor belongs to the Archdiocese of Puebla de los Angeles, Puebla, Mexico, which was founded as the Diocese of Tlaxcala in 1525. - Gentgeen 7 Oct 2003
