Talk:Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York
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See Talk:Roman Catholic Bishop of Quebec for nomenclature discussion. - Montréalais
EFGHIJ: these people are correctly termed "Cardinal Archbishops". "Archbishop X Cardinal Y" is wrong. An alternative would be "X Cardinal Y, Archbishop of New York". -- Someone else 23:33 20 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Is "Cardinal Archbishop X Y" acceptable? - Montréalais
- I think it is, but agree with Vicki that "X Cardinal Y, Archbishop of New York" is the most common use that includes both the title and the office. (Though doing it that way, you lose the middle names). -- Someone else 00:19 21 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I've never seen "Cardinal Archbishop" used as a title; they're just called (for example) "Francis Cardinal Spellman" or "Cardinal Francis Spellman", depending on context.
- The personal title of a cardinal is in the form "Francis Cardinal Spellman". The informal usage since Vatican II is "Cardinal Francis Spellman" (but that is not used in wiki for pratical reasons - 90% of cardinals predate Vatican II and were never known by the latter format and it would involve renaming over a thousand years of cardinals. '"See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles)) When an archbishop is made a cardinal, their office is referred to always as Cardinal Archbishop, eg, Cardinal Archbishop of Dublin, Cardinal Archbishop of New York. (Venice has a Cardinal Patriarch.) FearÉIREANN 01:20 21 Jul 2003 (UTC)
As a separate matter, if anyone knows exactly what the current boundaries of the archdiocese are, that information would be worth including--I know it's part of NYC and some of the suburbs, but not all of either. Vicki Rosenzweig 00:04 21 Jul 2003 (UTC)
The New York Archdiocese covers (in NYC) Manhattan, the Bronx, and Staten Island, but not Queens or Brooklyn (which are in the not-very-imaginatively named Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn and Queens). It also takes in Dutchess, Orange, Putnam, Rockland, Sullivan, Ulster and Westchester Counties. (I'll put this in the article, which was named "List of....etc" before it got moved around, and probably best belongs there: the archdiocese or the bishopric of the same seems to be a different article). -- Someone else 00:19 21 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Article moved from "Archdiocese of New York" to "Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York" for (1) uniformity with other Roman Catholic diocesan article titles as per wiki standard and (2) clarity between denominational diocesan territories of similar names (i.e., Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of New York, Episcopal Diocese of New York, etc.). --Gerald Farinas 22:44, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
