User talk:Rollosmokes
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Talk Page Archive #1 covers topics discussed between January 20 and June 11, 2006.
Talk Page Archive #2 covers topics discussed between June 12 and September 8, 2006.
Talk Page Archive #3 covers topics discussed between September 8 and December 1, 2006.
After nine years of hedging, I have finally enrolled in broadcasting school -- specifically, the Westbury, New York branch of the Connecticut Schools of Broadcasting. I have heard all of the positives -- and the negatives -- of these schools, but I realized a few things: 1) I really want to be in this business again, though from a behind-the-scenes standpoint; 2) you can't really fail unless you take a chance; and 3) what more can I lose? I'm already in debt, what's another $10,000? As a result of this life change, I'm doing 16-hour days between morning school and evening work. My edits here may become few and far in between.
However, I am beginning to feel that my time with Wikipedia may be coming to an end soon, because I don't find it fun anymore.
First, there was A Man in Black's anti-fair use image purging campaign. Then, there is this newfound "notion" (courtesy of Spshu) that Prime Time Entertainment Network was a full-fledged "network". Now, David Levy and I are battling over proper use of grammar. On top of that, Marckd continues to use various IP addresses to make his point with WWOR-TV and WTXX. This is enough for me, and there's but only so much a person can take.
I began editing Wikipedia because I believed I could use my writing talents and knowledge of television and radio history to work in a welcome environment, though I stayed away from being a full-fleged part of the WP:TVS project. Now, it seems as though the "inmates" have taken control of the asylum. Where's the real consensus? Where's the real teamwork? Instead, I only see battles on editing style, article format, content, and those with an agenda they want to push trying to get their way.
Personally, I disagreed with AMiB on the fair use gallery issue, as I believed the images were beneficial to articles if we don't get excessive with them. I disagreed with Spshu that PTEN was a network because they (despite the name) they never labelled themselves as anything more than just a blanket title for syndicated programming, like Operation Prime Time. Now, months after I introduced the proper practice of substituting single-digit numerals with their written forms ("one" instead of "1"), David Levy tells me that the proper way is the wrong way here, as per Wikipedia's Manual of Style.
So, with this, does it mean us professional writers have been wrong all along? If you believe Wikipedia and Mr. Levy, then I guess we have been. I called Mr. Levy a "kid" who knew nothing about how to write professionally, and someone willing to throw out -- and I stick to those statements. To me, he again proved himself to be arrogant and pompous, someone not worthy to be an administrator.
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[edit] No personal attacks
Hi Rollosmokes,
Congratulations on enrolling in a broadcasting school. wikipedia needs experts in the field, and I hope you will continue to bestow Wikipedia with your expert insider knowledge on all things broadcast-related.
However, I would ask that you refrain from making personal attacks. Your recent talk page comment, above, "proved himself to be arrogant and pompous, someone not worthy to be an administrator", is an example of a personal attack, and you've made the statement in more than one place. While I can identify with your frustrations, we all get upset at times, but personal attacks never strengthen a person's case, and are strictly forbidden on Wikipedia. Please refactor your talk page; an essay like the one above really doesn't belong on a user's talk page, anyway. Feel free to contact me at any time. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester 02:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Nine words
Your insistence in adding the reference to WKBS' final broadcast being the first Kickoff Classic game is growing tiredsome.
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As I mentioned in the article's talk page, this is trivial and insignificant to the article, and does not belong here.
To you, it is. You ain't the sheriff 'round these parts, mister.
The game (through the teams involved) is already mentioned within the quote of Vincent Barresi's sign-off address.
Sigh. This game has historical significance: it's the first Kickoff Classic, and the first college played in August. No, it's not earth-shattering, but it's worth nine words. Nine words, pal...that's what you're all up in arms about. Nine words.
You obviously are trying to prove a point, which can lead to trouble if you insist on re-adding this line.
Oh, so you're threatening me now? Gee, I'm scared. Not.
I've been reading your talk pages: you have a tendency to get all a-twitter over small potatoes. "Why, how dare that uneducated whelp edit my work!" Get. Over. Yourself.
I have removed this line, and will continue to do so if you keep adding it.
Whatever. You, sir, are a numbskull. RMc 00:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] And yet more on the nine words
For tha absolute last time, stop adding this TRIVIAL reference. It has no place in this article, and I am tired of deleting it. And, just how am I being uncivil by asking you nicely to stop? Rollosmokes 16:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
You're being uncivil by calling it "trivial" (perhaps it is, but so is 80% of the article) and by threatening me and insulting me left and right. Why is this so important to you? Is your manhood threatened or something? Chill. RMc 17:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- I agree the reference is trivial, and really doesn't need to be mentioned in the article. I have removed it, as I believe there is already a lot of trivial information cluttering up many of the TV station articles. However, at the same time, it's not really worth an edit war over a couple of words, right? Deep breaths. :) Firsfron of Ronchester 01:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm filing a report on WP:PAIN. The examples this user is saying are "personal attacks" against him clearly are not personal attacks. As far as I can tell, you've commented on the contributions, not the contributor. Firsfron of Ronchester 18:09, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Rollosmokes,
- As a result of the WP:PAIN listing, user:RMc has been blocked for 24 hours by user:Eagle_101 for 24 hours, for making personal attacks. Thanks for trying to remain civil and refraining from personal attacks during this affair. I appreciate your clean-up of this article, as I feel many of our TV station articles contain useless bits of trivia that don't truly help the encyclopedia. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester 02:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm filing a report on WP:PAIN. The examples this user is saying are "personal attacks" against him clearly are not personal attacks. As far as I can tell, you've commented on the contributions, not the contributor. Firsfron of Ronchester 18:09, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] And yet more
Firsfron is an administrator, and he agreed with me that those "nine words" you are hellbent on keeping in this article are TRIVIAL.
Look, just because one of your buddies is an admin doesn't make him, or you, right.
Yet you re-added them, which led to another user, Mattderojas, deleting them with the promise of repeating the task if they resurface again.
Somebody's awfully bored, yes?
Take a hint.
Here's a hint you should take: YOU DON'T OWN THE WKBS-TV PAGE. Other people have the right to edit things. Getting all worked up because someone dared to add nine words to your magnum opus sets a rather bad precedent, don't you think?
Grow up. You're acting like some pathetic broadcasting wannabe ("Look, everybody, I've been accepted to Broadcasting School!"). Pfft. I've been in the business for twenty-four years, and I can guarantee someone with your attitude wouldn't last for five minutes.
I don't even care about this stupid page anymore. But it's obvious you sorely need to be taught lessons on humility, maturity and fairness. I'd rather it not be me that needs to teach you these things, but so be it. RMc 16:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The last word on the nine words
Let me see if I have this straight. 1) I add nine words to the WKBS-TV page; 2) Rollosmokes has a hairy conniption fit, insulting me in the process (a common reaction for this guy when someone dares edit "his" pages)); 3) I respond in kind, and 4) I get banned for "personal attacks"!
Boy, that's rich. Are you guys all on the same bowling team or something?
This has gone well beyong the WKBS-TV page; there's principle involved here, which I why I keep pursuing it.
I'm going to edit WKBS-TV one last time. The admins have a choice to make:
1) Leave it alone, or 2) Revert it yet again, which sends the message that if a user jumps up and down and waves his arms (and has the right friends), he can get his way.
Your choice, fellas. RMc 11:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] RMc
I'm wondering if his continual re-addition of trivial information to the WKBS-TV article is grounds for him joining that CoolKat in the "Banned from editing this article" category. He's been given so much leeway as far as chances go. But that's just my opinion. John 14:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- Relax, ace. I'm all done with this page. You and your pals have proven that throwing temper tantrums (and having the right friends) beats out logic and democracy. Have a page you've written that some whelp has dared to trod upon? Do what Rollosmokes did! Gee, uh, thanks. RMc 15:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)