Talk:Rodolfo Gonzales

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Once again, I am shocked that this article has not yet been written. Please respect the fact that I have just started it and will continue editing all this week. Until then, please withhold all edits. Thank you, Rockero 05:04, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey it's me again. Sorry for making so many redirects, but there are so many combinations, considering varying spelling of his name, inclusion/exclusion of his nickname, etc. There are probably more that need to be made. I expeect this exculpation will grant my forgiveness among the Wikipedian community.--Rockero 05:01, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

The death quote was the product of a recollection from one of his obituaries. I'm sorry but I couldn't find it to link or reference it. The quote was very similar to the one I wrote in the article. If anyone can turn up the interview/article, I'd greatly appreciate it.--Rockero 05:07, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

OK it's all yours. Anyone find a public domain photo?--Rockero 05:12, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed move

I'm going to move this to Rodolfo Gonzales.--Rockero 05:02, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question:

For 1968, this article says "Secondly, he convened what became known as the Crusade for Justice, the first national Chicano youth conference." But the article for "El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán" says that the plan "was adopted by the First National Chicano Liberation Youth Conference, a March 1969 convention hosted by Rodolfo Gonzales's Crusade for Justice in Denver, Colorado." Was the "Crusade for Justice" started in 1966? Was the conference held in March 1969 (and not in 1968)?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 169.231.18.25 (talk • contribs).

Sorry, I've been meaning to clarify this. CFJ was the name of Corky's organization, and it was already in operation a few years before the Conference. CFJ hosted the Conference. There is a lot of confusion about the year of the conference, but I'm pretty sure it was in 1969.--Rockero 23:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title shot

I removed the part about him not getting a title shot due to racism. He probably didn't get a title shot, due to bad luck and timing. There was only one champion then, Sandy Saddler, who was not very frequent in defending his title. Mexican-American boxers and Mexican Nationals had no problems getting title shots in Southern California during Gonzales's career, (for example, Lauro Salas, Enrique Bolanos, and Art Aragon).--Matt1978 21:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The success of Mexican Americans in California says nothing about the opportunities available to Chicanos in Denver. My sources say racism (probably) played a role in his not getting a shot at the title. Maybe we can rephrase the sentence, because even if racism didn't play a role, Gonzales certainly interpreted it as a brush with discrimination.--Rockero 22:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

There are economic limitations to getting world title shots for someone boxing in Denver or any other non-major city during that era. Unless you could command enough at the gate to lure a champion, you weren't going to lure Sandy Saddler to Denver, to fight in front of a couple thousand when he could have gone to Madison Square Garden or a ballpark in Los Angeles and fought in front of 15,000, and been paid handily. My feeling is that Gonzales could have become a draw in Los Angeles, or some other big market, but that didn't happen for various reasons. I think the article should say that Gonzales felt racism played a role in his not getting a title shot, even though it was probably a combination of different circumstances which worked against him. --Matt1978 21:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)