Talk:Rodney Graham

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Contents 1 POV and tone issues 2 Gender and vandalism 3 Full of deliberate errors 4 Fakesalt 5 fix 6 POV?

[edit] POV and tone issues

Thanks for taking a crack at cleanup, Runcorn. I think the article needs a lot more help.

There's still some POV problems -- or maybe some different kind of tone problems here.

The first sentence is a doozy: "Rodney Graham is one of the main proponents of 'feminophotoconceptualism', the brand of conceptual art that has made Vancouver, British Columbia an important city for global art since the mid-to-late 1980s.".

Is Rodney Graham a proponent, or an artist? I think she might be a photographer. Or maybe a performance artist, or maybe a costume designer. Why not come out and clearly say what it is, exatcly, that this person does?

If I search the web for 'feminophotoconceptualism', I get exactly one hit: this article. If this is a movement, then I'd expect lots of hits. "Postmodernism" gets about 3.4 million hits on Yahoo!. If it has put Vancouver on the map for two decades, then I'd expect it to be more verifiable.

There's other neologisms in the article: "no-wave", for example.

How can this artist be "most widely known" for a list of four or five different things? "Most" is a superlative, and you only get one of them.

The balance of the article isn't encyclopedic. The over-reliance on quotes is probably the biggest issue.

-- Mikeblas 22:48, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gender and vandalism

This article had been vandalized. It should be noted that Rodney Graham is not a woman. The gender was changed, likely as a critique of the artist. I have corrected for the most obvious incorrect statements (his gender, the term 'feminophotoconceptualism', the section on fashion was also suspect. Leviathanbus 08:21, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Full of deliberate errors

Rodney Graham is a man, not a woman. What is a feminoconceptualist? This term does not exist in art history. The interpretation of his works vis a vis this purported feminism a fabrication.

[edit] Fakesalt

If Mr. McLaughlin would please stop mucking with this article, it would make me happy. Seriously, you may not have liked his show at the ICA, but save it for your blog and radio show, or take it up with your profs or something. Leviathanbus 21:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] fix

well good to see this has been cleaned up, there is no such thing as 'feminophotoconceptualism' and yes, Graham is a male artist.

[edit] POV?

Are we ready to remove the NPOV notice? The article reads fairly well, I think. Leviathanbus 05:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

• The POV might be better, but the writing is still pretty bad. Lots of terms aren'te defined; why is UJ3RKS mentioned so early, if they were so short-lived, and not a focal point for the memebers (per their own article)? What is "pathology of the loop", anyway? Many of the problems I described on 18 February still exist. -- Mikeblas

• Point taken as to the UJ3RK5. They were noteable as a concentration of some of Vancouver's most famous artists, and have some bearing on Graham's more recent music work (Volumizer and now the Rodney Graham Band), but you're right - it is mentioned a tad early, though it makes some sense to discuss his early career early in the article. The same is true of the Ian Wallace article, if memory serves. As for the pathology of the loop, I suspect this is a reference to Freud. Vexation Island, one of his better known works, depicts a Robinson Crusoe type character, waking on a beach, walking over to a palm to shake down a coconut, which lands on his head, knocking him unconsious. The coconut rolls away into the ocean and the whole thing repeats. I believe that Graham is interested in how memory can be replaced by repetition in Neurosis. In this sense, it would seem clear that the loop (repetitive behaviour) has a pathology. Leviathanbus 08:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

The article is still rather weak. Personally I found "pathology of the loop" to be a rather brillant characterization of one of Rodney Graham's obssessions. I would like to see the term stay and be defined. -- [[steven 02:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC)]]