User talk:Robert Prummel
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Zzyzx11 | Talk 02:27, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I allready made dozens of contributions on the Dutch, German and English Wiki and i greatly enjoy co-creating an encyclopaedia having read encyclopaedias for fun since my early childhood. Now all this no-use-knowledge will be regurgitated! I am aware of the fact that as a Dutchman I am bound to make mistakes in foreign languages.. I am fluent in several laguages but this does not make a " native speaker" out of me. My English is bookish and old-fashioned. I have been told that my pronunciation is is as snobbish as the Prince of Wales's ... I do hope that the English , or even American, Wikipedians will correct me whenever i sin against grammar, punctuation or spelling!
Faithfully yours,
Robert Prummel 22:14, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Huh?Biruitorul 21:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
"Commander of the Legion of Honor" has 9820 Google hits, versus 97 for "in the Legion". But I agree that it is a difficult question and if you feel strongly it's not a problem if you change it back. Maybe we could include a section about how difficult it is to translate the phrase. In any case, do you know why it's a disambiguation page? It doesn't seem like one to me and that status should probably go. Biruitorul 22:12, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Dear Biruitorul,
The number of hits on Google is not the issue! There are guidelines or conventions on transcribing and translating French words.I concluded that these guidelines lead to the conclusion that we should stay close to the French and write "Honour". I am not fond of American "English" anyway. Are you, as a Romanian, having been educated in a Roman language? "Honor" just looks silly to me. Then there is the Philippine " Legion of Honor". Let's devote a page to that and stick to the rules of Wikipedia, not Googlepedia. A lot of people use American spelling. As Europeans we should stick to our roots.
Greetings from the Netherlands,
Robert Prummel Robert Prummel 22:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Légion d'honneur
Robert, please calm down. I haven't destroyed anything. Everything you write is in the history and can be restored. The sitation when I found it was a compeete mess. The article was at Legion of Honour (disambiguation) (which is certainly no place to put a complete article see WP:DISAMBIG). It had been the subject of a number of cut'n'paste moves. Which is not the right way to move articlles on Wikipedia. What I discovered was that the article had been living at Légion d'honneur until April of this year when someone decided to move it without discussion to Legion of Honor. You then came along and did a cut and paste move and I understand why you did it I am a Brit and Honor is not a normal spelling for me. I am trying to restore the original situation but it has to be done through the right process. Cut and paste moves at not acceptable, because you lose the edit history. Please see Talk:Legion of Honor where a vote to move is in progress. BTW as far as I recall I restored the article to the last version you edited. Please look through the edit history of Legion of Honour (disambiguation) and I think you will find that the last version you edited is the same as the one I restored to Legion of Honor. Jooler 09:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well it appears that perhaps I didn't restore it to your last editfrom the disambiguation page, but from you last edit on that page. But you can perhaps understand the confusion involved. Jooler 09:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Dear Jooler,
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Editing the Legion was a lot of work and i was a bit cross to see that most of it was lost. I have since restored the article. The DISIMBAG was my mistake. I did try to rename it as the google rule was not appropriate. In my intertretation the rules of spelling on Wiki proscribe Honour. I do support Légion d'honneur with the appropriate links. I was clumsy in editing the disambiguation... i tried to put it right but failed. Thanks for your coöperation!
Greetings,
Robert
[edit] Re: Saint Stanislaus
Mr. Prummel,
I agree with your idea of addressing the four separate entities on their own pages. Keep up the good work. I chose the Disputed tag because I believe it would be one that all of the anonymous editors would agree with. Once they see this, they just might all follow the link tot he talk page and follow your suggestion. :-)
--ZsinjTalk 22:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- Let's hope so! They are a queer bunch though... Robert Prummel 22:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree with separate pages especially if you going to give them ponderous ugly titles such as The order of Saint Stanislaus.(re)established in Poland in 1990. What little you have to say about the re-established order can easily be said in the Order of Saint Stanislaus article. -- RHaworth 08:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
my reply:
- I agree that it is a bit of a mouthfull! It sounds a bit like " The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" doesn't it? That is because it is a diplomatic solution in a quarrel without an end. They all claim to be THE Order of Saint Stanislaus, and then claim that the other ones are fake. In fact they are all somewhat questionable. Then there is the issue of the propper name and style of one of the Grand-Masters and the indissolved and unsolvable question as to who was the legitimite Polish government in exile.
Given a free hand a number of anonymus contributers keep adding and deleting the same words over and over again at an astonishing pace. They do not reveal who they are and they do not discuss the questions before us. One gentleman once contributed a list of books and I added them to the appropriate branch of the Order. All I ever wanted to do was describe the historic order, now I found myself in a quagmire of pseudo-orders and well intended charitable foundations that call themselves orders. If I put all the information on these orders on one page there is no possibility to keep the subject neutral. The zelots of the various orders will get into a frenzy and this will undoubtably result in a useless, opiniated article that will change every minute or so. But I am open to suggestions...
Faithfully Yours, Robert Prummel 21:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
P.S. I started or contributed to dozens of articles on orders of merit, try my dutch contributions on the Military Order of William and Orde van Sint Stanislaus ( Dutch Wiki). These articles give a lot of historical facts and pictures. Here all I ever get to is restoring mischief. I am happy to say that this one is unique! I am allso glad that there are only two orders of the Garter, the American one is , I am glad to say it, very meek. Would they dare to call Elizabeth II an imposter?
Hello Robert, I am not very often here on wiki.en., if you want contact please go to the German wiki. Greetings Alex--Alexvonf 10:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Order of Columbus
-- Kerowren 00:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
