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Again, welcome! Chris Roy 03:49, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Good work on the car articles! I've been looking at what you've done; good stuff.

A minor point of Wikipedia style and convention: we tend to avoid links to external sites in the body of the article text, reserving them for an 'External Links' section at the end. Not a hard-and-fast rule, of course, because there are times one needs to. I removed a couple of links you added to Ford Thunderbird - the pointer to a page on the modern Thunderbird was a page in German, and if we need to refer to an external page about it, we can easily find a page in English. I also removed the link to speedycars because (for me, at least) it seemed to be all ads (including popups) and no content.

Thanks, —Morven 17:25, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Glad you liked the car stuff! Thanks for the advice. I just stumbled on Wickipedia recently and I'm still learning the rules.

RivGuySC

Yes, I love my Thunderbird. It's in the body shop right now; some idiot in a Tacoma backed into it in a parking lot, smashed the taillight area up annd stuff. Itching to get it back; there's nothing more fun to drive on the freeway at high speed. —Morven 07:42, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Was the Torino chassis also on the 77-79 Continental Mark V? Given that from '72 onwards, the T-bird and Mark were pretty much the same car but for trim and badging. —Morven 00:57, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't know that the T-bird and Mark diverged again in '77. To my eyes the later-70s Mark looked smaller than the previous, but maybe that was just styling. My favorite Lincoln Mark is the III, though (of course, the Continental Mark II is excellent, but not a Lincoln). Built on the suicide-door T-Bird chassis, too. I saw one for sale about 6 months ago at the Garden Grove, CA Friday night cruise -- quiet and smooth as a Rolls-Royce despite the 460 under the hood.

I've had the bodywork fixed on my T-Bird but the body shop wasn't able to find the taillight assembly. Fortunately, I have contacts they don't -- the GlamorBirds (67-71) mailing list is very helpful. Everything is the same between the 67 and 68 tail assemblies but for the center chromed casting incorporating the lock cylinder and door -- on the 67, it has small winged birds at either end and THUNDERBIRD across the middle, while in 68 it had just a wide winged bird across the middle. The 68 T-Bird is one of the most incognito cars in existence; it does not have its manufacturer's name anywhere on the outside and has its model name only on tiny script on the rear quarter reflectors, where in most cases it wore off inside five years.

This may also kick my butt to get the sequentials working. They have a tendency not to on 67s and 68s; the sequencer is electro-mechanical, consisting of a motor turning cams that push spring-loaded arms down onto contacts (!). Over 30 years of wear later, of course, it doesn't work. There's someone selling redesigned electronic replacements for about $200, though. And then there are all the vacuum accessories to get working ... great fun! Vacuum power door locks -- what were they thinking ... —Morven 07:19, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You might be interested to know the Ford Thunderbird had optional high-level brake lights from 1968 on! See http://automotivemileposts.com/tbird1968optionalequipment.html for a picture. These definitely were available at least through '69 and maybe longer, but weren't popular. This would make the Toronado's use of them in '71 the second usage at least, unless you're talking about them being standard fitment (not sure of their status on the Toronado). —Morven 06:46, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I got your email successfully -- just getting unexpectedly busy at work. At least two of the guys on the GlamorBirds list (67-71 T-Birds) have the high level brake light option fitted to their cars. They are used as supplemental turn signals too -- coming on with the center of the three sequential lights. Quoting one owner:

The supplemental stop lamps did indeed make it to production. They were offered beginning in 1968, on all models. In 1969, only the Fordors offered them, then in 1970 they were offered on all models again. I'm not sure if they were installed on the 1971's, I've never seen one with them.
I have a '69 Fordor with them. To be honest, they're ugly. There is a relay in the luggage compartment that controls them. I usually leave it unplugged. They come on with the brake lights, and they flash in sequence with the center turn signal bulbs.
The only good thing I can say about them is they are very prominent. Since many of these Birds suffer from "dim taillight syndrome" they are good to have in that respect. At night, they are VERY blinding from behind. They are part of the interior molding and make the rear window narrower than it already is (especially on a Fordor!)

Sounds more of a good idea than execution, and they're one of the rarest options in the years they were offered. Another curious one was the rear light monitor on '68s, which used fiber-optics to embed a miniature version of the tail-lights into the rear package tray where it could be seen in the rear-view mirror. Thus, the driver could tell if his taillights and turnsignals were working correctly. —Morven 20:09, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

RivGuySC- I see you changed back the dates I edited in the "Lincoln Town Car" page. I am not old enough to have lived through most of the dates I changed, but my source was a book called "100 Years of Ford". Perhaps it has some errors, perhaps not. Do you have a source for the dates that you changed back? I was editing without a username, and represent all 3 I.P. address edits to the page in question.

Wrt Sedans; are the 'window frames' you refer to meaning non-moving part-of-the-door frames? Because my T-Bird windows have thin aluminum frames that roll down with the windows themselves; I have a suspicion that you are meaning the permanently-part-of-the-door variety? —Morven 01:03, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

You're right, I think; having searched the web and found quite a few 'pillared hardtops'. Just the pillarless variety was much more common, I think. The T-Bird never gets called a pillared hardtop because, I think, Ford had their own terminology; 'fordor landau' was Ford's official designation. I have to do landau and landau bar/landau iron/s-bar articles one of these days, about these 'fake convertibles' that one only sees these days as hearses and occasionally stretch limousines. —Morven 11:11, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction at Ford Torino. I was going by a book photo caption which it turns out is also wrong. —Morven 02:14, Jun 19, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you, RivGuySC, for your kind comments about my Plymouth Valiant additions. The first Valiant site linked from the page has some interesting images of the car. It was a very nice evolution of the American design, though on a unique-for-Australia platform (not sure why they needed it with hindsight) and had all the swoopiness and coke-bottle lines of cars like the '71 Dodge Charger and Plymouth Sebring. (Basically: think Valiant and Dart with the Sebring curves.) I think the locals called it the coke bottle the 'hippie line'—not used generally, but only for the Valiant. I enjoyed the earlier contributions of yours that I've found and will be checking out your other pages (and helping where possible). Stombs 10:12, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

RivGuySC: I thought I'd mention a little bit of trivia that might be good for the Riviera page—let me know what you think. In 1999, with the Riv nearing the end of its run, GM bosses travelled to Australia to view the Holden Commodore Coupé prototype, which had been worked on by Holden guys in their spare time (and hid from the bosses). Earlier in the decade, the plan for the Australian Holden Commodore sedan (Cadillac Catera on steroids) to become the new Buick LeSabre (or a similarly sized model) had been scuttled by the unions, but one of these GM bigwigs floated the idea of taking the Coupé prototype—which was pretty near production, anyway, being on the existing sedan platform—and taking it to the US as a 2002 or 2003 Riviera. Nothing much came of that plan till Bob Lutz arrived. He saw the car, which had by then become the Holden Monaro, and felt it might be better as a Pontiac. That's how you guys got the new Goat, but it could have been the new Riv. IMO, the styling of the Monaro is closer to the '99 Riviera, but the idea of the Monaro is close to that of the '64 Goat: a six-cylinder sedan with the division's biggest V8 in it. (I don't care if it doesn't look like the '69 Judge!) Stombs 10:21, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for the note, RivGuySC—I'm glad the above info was of interest and is useful. Stombs 04:27, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Would you happen to know ...

... what year this Pontiac Catalina convertible is? Image:Pontiac Catalina convertible.jpg. Can't find one like it anywhere, and the owner was nowhere to be found when I took the picture. —Morven 08:00, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! Put it up on the Pontiac Catalina page, now I can say what year it was. I certainly like that year's styling; very exaggerated 'beak', and those almost blade-like light surrounds/fender tips ... lethal to pedestrians, no doubt, but certainly interesting-looking. —Morven 06:56, Jul 28, 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Merkur.jpg

Hi there! Thanks for adding the image Image:Merkur.jpg. It currently doesn't have an image copyright tag, and I was hoping that you would add one as untagged images may be deleted eventually. (You can use {{gfdl}} to license it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) Thanks! --Diberri | Talk 18:03, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Lipscomb

No, I don't know if it was different in summer school, i went to summer school closer to home. It seems like it might have been though to make it cheaper, but we had to be enrolled in 2 bible classes per semester so that there would be one every day. I guess it's possible also that there has been a change since you were there, I went from 96-98, but them changing that seems unlikely. My guess is that there were different rules for part time summer school. (seems like I remember it having to do with how many hours you were enrolled even in the main semesters, like maybe part-time students didn't have to do as much.) rhyax 05:06, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] GM 3800 engine

Thanks for the awesome edits on this page! I'm really pleased to have started a page on something I didn't know much about and then having it grow so nicely into something that's teaching me! --SFoskett 13:36, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] AMC Gremlin

Thanks for the complement. It's a 25-year-old picture of my first car.

[edit] Power

Hi RivGuySC,

Regarding your comment about power vs. horsepower, it is simply a case of the unit versus the abstract term. If I want to say something weighs more than something else, I say that it "is heavier", or it "has more weight", I don't say that it "has more kilograms" or "has more pounds". Likewise, to talk about power in the abstract, just "power" is correct. So if I am talking about a specific measurement, I might say that "such and such a car has 123 horsepower", but if I am comparing two cars, I would say that "this car has more power than that car."

Because the words "horsepower" and "power" are similar, some people will incorrectly use the unit "horsepower" to describe the abstract concept of power. Try using metric units and see how silly that is, e.g. "this car has more watts than that car."

Icd

G'day RivGuySC,

Not trying to be a smartass but I think your thinking is a little fuzzy. You wrote:

For one thing, engine power is commonly measured in both horsepower and torque, so just saying more power is not precise.

That is not actually correct, and you should visit the Wikipedia pages for power and torque to find out why. Power and torque are separate but related concepts. You are correct in saying that both of these are characteristics of engines, but the concepts of power and torque are different from the units we use to measure them, namely horsepower/watts and foot-pounds/newton-metres respectively. Even when talking about torque, you wouldn't say "this car has a lot of foot-pounds" so neither should you say "this car has a lot of horsepower".

Anyway, check the dictionary definitions of horsepower vs. power if you like. Horsepower is defined either as a unit, or a literal horse's power, that is it. Although many cases are one of convention, I don't think this is one of those cases. Horsepower has a definition, and to use is to describe the abstract concept of power is simply wrong.

Icd 05:50, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

I have to say it, Riv, but I gotta agree with Icd on this one. It's like the liter->L discussions I've been having elsewhere - if you're talking about the concept of power, you say power, but if you're talking about a specific metric, you use horsepower (or kW if you're Bobblewick!) So as to the article in question, I'd say it "has more power", not "has more horsepower" - even though the latter is technically correct, the former is preferable since it's more general. --SFoskett 15:35, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

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[edit] Image:LaSalle1.jpg etc

Hi! Thanks for uploading Image:LaSalle1.jpg through Image:LaSalle7.jpg. I notice they currently don't have any image copyright tags. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much, – Quadell (talk) (help)[[]] 16:39, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Ford Thunderbird

Hi from Adrian. Thanks for your Ford Thunderbird query. Because I'm in England and have no knowledge of USA cars whatsoever I can't comment on what the yellow car was. So, to be safe, and because the article does have other pics, I've removed the pic. Best Wishes - Adrian Pingstone 16:46, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

My thoughts exactly... the more pictures, the better, especially since most common cars have no visual support. I'm all for text as well, but I'll get to that after updating pictures.

My keyboard has no tilde, so I keep forgetting. Diego440 15:38, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tilde

Well, in Spanish only one letter has the tilde, and the keyboard does have that letter: Ñ and ñ

Nevertheless, the tilde by itself isn't used. In the button where your tilde is, we have the degree symbol: º, as in 15º; the numbered symbol: ª, as in 15ª (fifteenth, in Spanish): and the backwards slash "\". I'm sure I could find the tilde in the keyboard map, or through the alt menu, but I'd much rather click on the images at the end. We do have the other type of tildes, which are like the apostrophe (sp?): á é í ó ú, and capitalized, etc. Either way, a really long explanation for just a simple fact, eh?

Diego440 23:58, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Biscúter

I'm Ecelan from the Spanish Wikipedia. Thanks for apreciating the translation of the article Biscúter, it is a very good article that must be present in the Spanish Wikipedia. After all, it's a Spanish car. Btw, we have a couple of images you could use in your article too.

I see you are interested in cars. I'm completing the information about Spanish microcars. Most of the information comes from a website that allows us to use their texts. You'll find the link at the end of the page. The only problem is that we can't use the images because they don't know the license for most of them. If you happen to have some (with free license), please let me know. Cheers --84.161.57.198 08:11, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Coupe de Ville

Not sure about whether it's a de Ville or Fleetwood or even a Sixty Special coupe. I knew it was a rare car, but didn't get a look at the rear badge. I'll go back Monday and see what it is - it's for sale! --SFoskett 21:22, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:76Century.jpg

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  • Thanks for tagging this image. Another key thing to remember is that you need to mention your source, in this case you. So I added "Created by User:RivGuySC" to the image page. If you have any further images that need to be tagged, I would love it if you could do so now. Burgundavia (✈ take a flight?) 02:57, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed project

Do you think that there would be merit in a "neighborhoods of Nashville" project? There are already articles on the major suburbs like Antioch, Bellevue, Donelson, Hermitage, and the like. This would be smaller but still significant ones like Inglewood, Joelton, Whites Creek, Belleshire, The Nations, and the like. I don't want to do it all myself, nor do I have interest in it languishing for months on end like Memphis's has (after several months, all but three or so in the main Memphis article are still red links. I'm running this past the most Nashville-knowledgable people, and your input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Rlquall 03:42, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nashville sit-ins nominated

I've nominated Nashville sit-ins for the U.S. Southern Collaboration of the Week. If you think it's a worthy topic, stop by and vote for it. Thanks. Kaldari 02:06, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lincoln/Vote

Please look at the restructured choices on Talk:Lincoln/Vote and clarify your vote. Thanks! —Lowellian (talk) 08:38, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Ville stub

Just made the Pontiac Grand Ville a {{Classicpow-auto-stub}} and it needs help. Can you recommend anyone to look at it? Stude62 01:04, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing it. One more favor? Could you take a look at the Buick Century article. I tried my best to work through the 1936-1958 text and would appreciate your input. Thanks so much for helping me along. Cars are my passion, but grammar my week spot. Stude62 04:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Important WikiProject Automobiles Discussion

Hello! As a Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles member, I just thought you might want to input your opinions on an important discussion we're currently having about whether articles regarding similar vehicles should be merged into one or split by brand. If you would like to comment or read further, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles#Articles of Similar Vehicles. Thank you in advance for your thoughts and feedback. Airline 23:49, 13 February 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Thank you

Hi, Thank you for your positive feedback. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Signaturebrendel 04:35, 18 February 2006 (UTC) I just discovered there is a barnstar for kind users, so this one's for you:

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[edit] Station wagon article, overhauled again

Could you take a look at the station wagon article. I've overhauled it again to bring some sense to it. I also shifted images around and added new ones as well. Stude62 15:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Marathon Motor Works Logo: Source?

That's a great graphic of the Marathon Motor Works logo. Is there a higher-resolution version anywhere? Where did it come from? I was about to settle down in Photoshop and extract out the bricks from my photo, but if this has already been done, or the logo was scanned from a better source, I'd love to just use that.

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