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[edit] JOHN SERRY SR

Mr. Norton - Just a quick note to thank you for your contribution to my Dad's biography. I already have copies of the New York Times articles documenting his contributions to the advancement of the musical arts in the USA. Thank you for your interest and your assistance to the development of his biography. pjs012915. 11:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Joseph Warren Scott

Hi...just so you know, the Category:New Brunswick that you applied to this article pertains to the Canadian province, not the city in New Jersey. Bearcat 20:49, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah, okay...I wasn't sure if there was already a category for that or not. Glad we got it straightened out :-) Bearcat 20:53, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Salem

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Can you center my template Template:Salem for me? —This unsigned comment was added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs) .

What do you mean by centring? Judging from both the source code and the appearance of the template, it's centred everywhere it should be (both in terms of the template and the text headings). Perhaps your browser isn't rendering it correctly, so it doesn't appear centred to you? Ingoolemo talk 23:35, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I made it 100% so it fits across the bottom of the screen, I wanted it at 50% and centered on the page, but it looks ok, now. What do you think? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 23:38, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I'd actually prefer the 50% format, though I have no qualms about the current one. Whatever you feel comfortable with. Ingoolemo talk 01:02, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] “Medicine” on MCOTW

After a bit of inactivity, Medicine has been selected as the new medicine collaboration of the week. I am taking the unusual step of informing all participants, not just those who voted for it, since I feel that it is important that this highest-level topic for our collaboration be extremely well-written. In addition, it is a core topic for Wikipedia 1.0 and serves as the introduction to our other articles. Yet general articles are the ones that are most difficult for individuals to write, which is why I have invited all participants. I hope it isn't an intrusion; I don't make plan to make a habit of sending out these messages. — Knowledge Seeker দ 02:16, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Richard, thanks for the info in your message about the italics. Will try remembering it from now on. Cheers. Anagnorisis 08:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] autoblock

I have replied on my talk page. As I mention there, this is something that requires followup from the developers; in the meantime, a workaround would be to turn off Google Web Accelerator. -- Curps 16:02, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:"What links here" and Templates giving useless information

Hi! I noticed Wikipedia:"What links here" and Templates giving useless information. This sort of thing would require a change in the software, and thus filling out a feature request at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ is was to go about it. I have no idea if it is technically possible, but perhaps the "Whatlinkshere" could display "(inclusion)" after links that are actually from templates. Anyway, I will copy the text of your request here, in the hope that I can delete Wikipedia:"What links here" and Templates giving useless information since a bug report is the correct way. I will await your go ahead to see if I can delete the project page.

The text...

I have a suggestion in Wikipedia policy and programming. If you go to a page that has a template on it and click "what links here", all the links in the Template now appear in the "What links here" query. I want to see links that appear on the template to be excluded for the "What links here" query. Try a search yourself. If there is no template on a page you get useful results. If there is a template with dozens of other links the useful information is obscured. If I go to Raritan Landing, New Jersey and hit "What links here" I now see the dozens of other towns from the template, and I miss the usefull information of what pages actually have an embedded link in the text of "Raritan Landing". If you have a suggestion of a better forum to discuss this change, please tell me who I should talk to.--Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 19:14, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright abuses

Hello, this message is because of your comments at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Ta bu shi da yu 2. Because of the abuse of authority of User:Ta bu shi da yu, Tens of thousands of images have been deleted by a small handful of wikipedians, citing "fair use".

Would you be interested in joining a group on wikipedia which counters the heavy handed tactics of the copyright police. We can't fight them on our own. User talk:Ed g2s has began deleting fair use image on every person's user page and on several other pages, inspired by WP:FUC which was written by another paternal copyright policeman with absolutly no legal training and little understanding of copyright law. User:Ta bu shi da yu created the WP:FUC page and was responsible for deleting hundreds of Time magazine covers and refused to stop even after Time magazine sent an e-mail allowing wikipedia to use the images.

We stared this page, with this purpose: User:Travb/Misguided and heavy handed tactics of some admins regarding copyright

Please tell others about this project. The paternal copyright police are well organized and are intoxicated with their own trival power here on wikipedia. Like most authoritarian personalities, these misguided copyright fanatics have finally have overstepped the bounds of good sense and restraint, when they began deleting tens of thousands images from wikiusers' pages. Only a large number of wikipedians will stop this abuse. Travb 13:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flickr

I have no idea what to do for free photo archiving; I pay for a Flickr "pro" account because I like the Flickr community and the Flickr user interface. --rbrwr± 21:11, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Alfred Naess

Watch the wrong year in the image text. Mahlum 07:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Image:New Jersey state seal.png

Please see the licensing tag that is on Image:New Jersey state seal.png. Observe the section for seals. On this image there is no verification that the copyright has expired. Given that absence of such, it must be presumed that the image is used under a fair use license here on Wikipedia. You may wish to see User_talk:Durin#U.S._state_seal_images_copyright_status where a similar issue was discussed. In that case, Nebraska became a state in 1867, and presumably it's seal was created around the same time. Nevertheless, the state still actively protects it's copyright on the image. Failing presentation of evidence that the seal of the state of New Jersey has been released in the public domain or proof is provided that the copyright has expired and the state of New Jersey recognizes this, the image is used here on Wikipedia under terms of Wikipedia:Fair use criteria. I am reverting your re-insertion of the image into Template:New Jersey Prep. Please do not re-insert the image without contacting the state government of New Jersey regarding copyright clearance. Thank you, --Durin 22:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Also, if I might suggest, you could use Image:Flag of New Jersey.svg instead of the seal. The flag does not carry the same copyright encumbrances. --Durin 22:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Also, I did a bit of investigation and found that the New Jersey state seal was redesigned in 1928. Thus, claims that it is in the public domain because of age may not be valid. --Durin 22:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elmwood Cemetery

Hi. I noticed you moved the page Elmwood Cemetery (New Brunswick, New Jersey) to Elmwood Cemetery, New Brunswick, New Jersey and was curious why you did so. Naming conventions for locations that are not communities is generally Placename ([Location, ]State or Province) for USA and Canada locations. Is there a reason this article doesn't meet that criteria? My initial move was prompted by trying to be consistent with other listings in Elmwood Cemetery, as well as naming conventions. In your move, you didn't provide an edit summary, so I'm not certain why you moved it.

Note that although there's no specific listing for cemeteries in the MoS, the page most relevant to this discussion is probably Wikipedia:Naming conventions (schools). Mindmatrix 19:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to mention that I've started a discussion about setting a guideline for naming cemeteries. Since you've contributed to a number of cemetery articles, you may want to add your thoughts to the discussion. Thanks. Mindmatrix 14:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki biographies

I like your quote that you enjoy rescuing people from obscurity. I think we share a similar perspective on that. See my latest fight here! Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kitty May Ellis Wjhonson 22:28, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] D.C. Heath and Company

Richard, Thanks for adding the Wiki link to D.C. Heath and Company to my article about Walter Tenney Carleton. I'm curious how you put Walter Tenney Carleton together with D.C. Heath and Company, other than my text? Thanks again, Rbcwa 23:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Your question on José L. Duomarco article

Thank you Richard for your help. Some of my quotes are indented once and others indented twice; that was intentional: I indented once the original quote (generally in spanish), and twice, the english translation. Perhaps that's not the good-style-way to do it, but I cannot find it in the Manual.Thanks again, Rosana. --Rtierno 14:15, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Email

How do I activate my e-mail? — Rickyrab | Talk 15:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Template:NYC Bridge

Is this what you were trying to do? Alansohn 15:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coronet (magazine)

Very cool! Given the brevity of the text, I'd go with the small framed version — and simply comment-out the larger ones until such time, if ever, that as the article gets expanded. But honestly, either way is good. It's nice to collaborate with you! With thanks, --Tenebrae 17:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Biography July Newsletter

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[edit] E-MAIL

I needed to confirm my e-mail, so I did. — Rickyrab | Talk 16:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I will be away for much of August, but should be back as of September. — Rickyrab | Talk 16:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biography Newsletter August 2006

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[edit] Colors in List of Colonial Governors of New York

Do you know why there are colors in List of Colonial Governors of New York? See our discussion at Talk:List of Colonial Governors of New York—Markles 13:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why Epic of King Gesar?

Since there are so many other epics, why does King Gesar in particular need a see-also reference under Iliad? Would a see-also to Epic poetry be better? Andrew Dalby 20:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Nelson-Reese.jpg

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[edit] Remarks about Wikipedia

Hello Richard,

Thank you for your welcoming note to me as a Wiki contributor. I 'll just quickly state my thoughts on Wiki.

The pages on Peoples Temple and Jonestown Guyana have been very disturbing to me. Nothing revolts me worse that cheap sensationalism and extremely sloppy historical writing. The entry has a section that lists all the punk bands and comedians who have goofed on the PT members and their dead relatives, but it's preposterously truncated and inaccurate about what happened at JTown. I made remarks on the talk pages. As a researcher who was part of a film project on the tragedy, I would love to write a full article, but would this be "original research?" All I seem to be able to do is rant from the peanut gallery. There are contless ways by which the thing can be improved. It's nothing personal. The film I was involved in will probably be a piece of crap if they ever finish it. Last I knew, they were filming in South Africa. There's no money in straight facts sometimes.

Also, the page on Chuck Munson is rather annoying and belongs in the garbage can. Worse still is that he's a Wiki editor. It means that one of these things is not like the other, as they used to say on Sesame Street. If you believe that CM is a significant anarchist or that he is a Wiki editor with no personal agenda, you are absolutely mistaken.

You'll see me contributing material on anarchist history. I have to go slow because most of my research is entirely original, and there are scores of old anarchists that only I know anything about.

You have a background in pharmaceutical research? I'm Guinea Pig Zero. Happy to meet you.

Also, I live very near the Paul Robeson house on Walnut Steet in Philadelphia. His mural on Chestnut, btw, is lately getting blocked by stray trees that are getting tall in front of it, blocking the view of passing drivers. Maybe I'll walk over there with a saw some time. That mural is peculiar even though very impressive. It has him as a bibliophile and humanitarian (and other things that he was), but there's no mention of socialism or the union movement. Robeson would laugh his head off.

The Philadelphia City Archives, where I found Oscar Neebe's marriage record, is a techno-primitive place. I also have City Directory entries that have Oscar living here with several other Neebes, but I have to find them in my scrapbooks before tossing them into Wiki.

I hope that this note finds you well.

Robert Helms

[edit] Henrietta Lacks

Hello Richard. I wanted to apologise for removing the biography template from the Henrietta Lacks article. Somehow, in my haste, i managed to mistake it for a biography of living persons template, which was why i removed it. You can understand, i'm sure, why one might consider Lacks as a living person, but that it is probably not appropriate catagorisation per WP:BLP. Anyway, you are correct to include the template which is appropriate. Again, i'm sorry, and will be more careful in future. Rockpocket 18:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Hahnen.gif listed for deletion

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[edit] Image:Lattin Susannah 1868 September04 NewYorkTimes.jpg

FYI, I have struck your tag on this image and replaced it with {{PD-US}}. Under Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp., "exact photographic copies of public domain images could not be protected by copyright because the copies lack originality." Thus, a scan or photocopy from an old (pre-1923 or copyright otherwise expired) newspaper article is itself public domain. BigDT 12:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Here you go

Also please remember to sign on my talk page in the future.

O'Connor and Goldberg was a shoe store in Chicago. The economist Milton Friedman worked at the store in 1932. "O'Connor and Goldberg" is also used to describe any mixed Irish Jewish neighborhood.

References

Category:Chicago Category:Shoe companies

{{Chicago-stub}}

--Pilotguy (roger that) 20:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] No personal attack

Please see the Wikipedia policy for Personal Attack. In the policy, it explicitly says that "Using someone's affiliations as a means of dismissing or discrediting their views — regardless of whether said affiliations are mainstream or extreme." is a personal attack. Trying to discredit my views for deletion based on the fact that I am a Calvinist is a personal attack. I'll ask you to refrain from doing it on the deletion page and on the Christianity portal, or anywhere else in the future. Regards, Shazbot85Talk 04:21, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

If you feel I am attacking you I apologize. I am not attacking you or your religion, I dont know anything about you or your religion except that your religion is the first box on your user page, and you removed the "Christianity" template from the Pillar of Fire article, indicating to me that this religious group isn't Christian in your eyes. Maybe thats why you are fervent about having the article deleted. I am not a religious person, so all your talk about differences between your religion and the religious organization in the article don't mean anthing to me. I am only interested in the group geographically since they are close to my home, so I did research to find out about them. I dont mind editing of the article, but I do take umbrage to vandalising the article by removing references, then claiming there are no references listed, and adding a tag to every paragraph, when the only fact you could find that didnt fit was their school. Which Google gave in a nanosecond and referenced the webpage linked in the article.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs).

I did not remove the "Christianity" page from the Pillar of Fire Church page. Either you're mistaken or outright lying. Check the history, it was someone else, not I. Secondly, Calvinism is not a different religion. Within the Christian religion there are two very different "mainline" views of Theology; those being Calvinism and Arminianism. I am a Calvinist, and Pillar of Fire church is Arminian-Wesleyan, which means they ascribe to the Arminian theology of Wesley, the founder of the Methodist church. This is not a different religion. Reformed Presbyterians and Baptists are Christians, just like Arminian Baptists or Methodists. If you don't care for what I'm talking about pertaining to religion, don't make uneducated claims pertaining to Christianity, or different views of theology, and that affecting my motives for deletion. I never removed links from the article, again, you're either mistaken or lying. You admit that this is originial research in your above paragraph and that's what I suspected. The page needs to be either deleted, or someone else needs to clean it up and source the information. Regards Shazbot85Talk 16:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Again your waving the flag of original research, and I havent a clue what your talking about. Please cite what you believe iis original research. Just cut and paste the sentence that you believe comes from my mind and not one of the references listed. I can only deal in specifics, not generalities. Where did I admit to doing original research? Again I am not following you. Doing "research" is not the same as "original research". "Original research" would be me saying there is a sister planet to Uranus called Urananus just using my own thought process. If I cite NASA documents speculating about the planet, or even if I cite several long established fringe group websites, then I would be "researching". Can you understand the difference? Read it slowly so it sinks in.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs).

I duspute the entire article. Read that slowly, so it sinks in. The whole thing, every sentence that you either will not or cannot provide citation for. You sai you researched it? Ok, provide sources, if you can. I would copy and paste the entire article but I'm not going to be a smart alec in that respect and I don't want to clutter up your talk page. Regards and good luck with your task Shazbot85Talk 20:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Barney Dallenbach

Your voice should be heard at the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Barney Dallenbach discussion. I'd suggest that you focus on the most specific reasons for why these articles deserve to stay, without being baited into theological discussions. Alansohn 17:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AMA

Hi, I'm Wslack, your advocate. Just letting you know that I'm beginning my look into the case. I write more here when I have questions. --\/\/slack (talk) 02:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, after reading all the way down the AfD, I find that the Nom has been withdrawn. I anticipate a keep especially considering how the article has grown. Is there anything else I can assist you with? Right now, I'm closing the case, but it can be reopened if you still want help. I'm always available. --\/\/slack (talk) 02:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Jersey seal to map replacement

I did all of the counties. I figured if I did one, why not do them all? It seems to work well. Noodles the Clown 17:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if the pages are getting too cluttered, but the boxes provide a good and quick cross reference. Noodles the Clown 18:04, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I have now categorized all the templates. Noodles the Clown 18:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:MED

Hi,

the main page of WikiProject Medicine has just been redesigned, comments are welcome! Please consider listing yourself as a participant.

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edible protein per unit area of land

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Edible protein per unit area of land, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree, discuss the issues raised at Talk:Edible protein per unit area of land. If you remove the {{dated prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Bibliophylax 18:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MoS:ALL CAPS

We are about to merge MoS:ALL CAPS into MoS:CAPS, but before we do, we (or rather I - I can only speak for myself of course) would like to hear your opinion on the subject at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (ALL CAPS). Thanks, Shinobu 23:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biography Newsletter September 2006

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[edit] Rescue from obscurity

I need help rescueing Ludwik Silberstein from obscurity. The article posted has only rudimentary information from Who's Who in Science, 1968. Your subscriptions may provide a proper obituary or other article exploring his life.Rgdboer 04:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Italics and Emphasis

Bleh, revert-warring on a MoS page is pretty bad; waiting for some other people to comment would be by far the better option here. Kirill Lokshin 23:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Spies-August 01.jpg listed for deletion

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[edit] Bernard Boursicot - thanks for the cleanup

Thank you very much for the nice cleanup and headings you provided for this article. I'd been meaning to get around to expanding it for months after watching the film of M.Butterfly. I felt that the real story was ever so much more interesting. I was very susprised to find out that Kang Sheng was the fellow who strong-armed Boursicot into handing over the documents. It makes sense now, of course, given the time during which the affair began. I don't know how to upload photos, sadly. I found one of Shi in a newspaper article that was posted and would like to include it. Can you help?Lisapollison 14:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Norton's Atlas?

Are you by any chance connected to the Norton of Norton's Atlas?--Runcorn 21:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good job on aviation pioneers!

Don't think that all of the work you have been puting in on the Wright Brothers and other aviation pioneers hasn't been noticed. I hereby award you with the wikiwings from WikiProject Aircraft. Thanks! --rogerd 02:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wright School of Aviation

I noticed you put a link for Wright School of Aviation in Huffman Prairie, which is still a red link. I also see you created the Wright Flying School article. Are these two different schools? Or should WSA redirect to WFS? Thanks. --rogerd 14:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I think I just answered my own question. I see that WFS was in Alabama and WSA was in Ohio. So I presume that these are two separate subjects, right? --rogerd 14:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rutgers/Busch/Waksman stuff

Good job on starting the Busch Campus and Waksman Institute articles...you beat me to the punch on those. —ExplorerCDT 22:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject query

Hi there, I am doing some clean up on the list of proposed WikiProjects. I noticed that WikiProject Cemeteries of the United States has been listed for more than 60 days. Unless you object, I would like to remove it from the list since it is unlikely to receive further feedback. Thanks! --Aguerriero (talk) 18:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I do like the idea, after having visited several very old cemeteries in Boston. Well, old by American standards. :) Let me know if you ever decide to create the project. --Aguerriero (talk) 18:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: 6 mile run

The official sites all refer to it as D&R canal state park; I assume some sites have the name wrong, I haven't seen it cited that way in any official sources. The map links all point to princeton, near D&R park HQ, but that's pretty far south of 6 mile run. I guess the coordinates in the article are wrong, although I'm not sure what the correct ones are. -Steve Sanbeg 23:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, that makes more sense. I guess navtech was a bit liberal with their naming; maybe they thought "park" was just simpler than "reservoir site". It's not on the NJ list of parks, http://www.state.nj.us/dep/parksandforests/parks/parkindex.html. It is strange that it shows up that way on the map. -Steve Sanbeg 14:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lorenz Hutschenreuther

I see you have spend some time editing and illustrating the Hutschenreuther page - fine information! But I have a question: the marks illustrated read "LHS", but the text offers a differennt reading. Would you help me along? --RPD 20:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Theodorus Jacobus Frelinghuysen

Some of the stuff I rearranged in the article, makes it flow better. Wikipedia is not a genealogical database...so we don't need to know who his grandkids are, etc. If they're notable, cat them under Frelinghuysen family and if the kids are notable write articles about his kids. Only one or two of them are notable, most aren't. Romeyn, was a minor minister in Northern Jersey in the 1740s...big deal. So what if he preached to my ancestors...extraneous genealogical information doesn't belong here. I listed his kids, that's about all that is important. (Thinking my edits to the Joyce Kilmer article were the model for my cuts on this). I also took the three sections of various periods of his life and consolidated them into one section entitled "biography". Timeline information, if important, should be converted into text, there. The Timeline b.s. is completely amateurish and potentially redundant. —ExplorerCDT 03:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Why label an header in Wikipedia "biography"? Thats redundant.
  • Not really. Logical title. Bio, Quotes (belongs in Wikiquote), References, External links. If he was an author (unfortunately not) then I'd add a section named "Works." If I renamed "Biography" to "His Life" it would be amateurish. It makes more sense than having titles like "Birth, marriage and children," "Education and emigration" and "Death and burial" when they screw up the timeline and perhaps segregate three sentences worth of information.—ExplorerCDT 03:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, what's sparks your interest in the Frelinghuysens, Peter Ballantine, etc.? Because if you're descended from them, you're related to me and that scares the living fuck out of me. —ExplorerCDT 14:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:8638926109296632553.gif listed for deletion

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[edit] Succession boxes

Yes - I think we need another tag per talk on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization/Guidelines. - Kittybrewster 18:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Erm, your changes on {{s-other}} concern a lot of pages where the template is used. If you look on Alfred Robens, Baron Robens of Woldingham you will see the ugly consequence. Please revert your changes until you have replaced the template on these articles Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:S-other. Thanks ~~ Phoe talk 21:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC) ~~

[edit] Mock Duck

I posted the above article for speedy deletion under db-repost, but I'm not sure now of exactly what should be done with it. To check, I'll notify Cyde, the admin that deleted it originally, and have asked my admin coach for some advice. Cheers, Daveydweeb (chat/patch) 05:13, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the page was deleted unilaterally by Cyde, rather than through a deletion discussion. If you could leave a note on the article's talk page to explain why it should not be deleted, I will do the same (to explain my confusion over the matter). --Daveydweeb (chat/patch) 05:18, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the heads up on the Forbes 400 article. I contacted editorial staff at Forbes and they refered me to their Legal departmnet. I emailed one of their Lawyers and he said that we are not allowed to list the Whole List :-(]
I tried !!
Thanks again
Trade2tradewell 15:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Max and Nash

Please read the message I left on User:MadMax's talk page. This is a bothersome mess, and I regret that it is happening, but it is necessary. DS 16:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not a secret tribunal. It was an emergency decision based on a matter of intellectual property, and on a nasty surprise. As a consequence of that surprise, Nash is not currently an acceptable reference for WP articles. If the nature of that surprise is not already a matter of public record, then our making it so could be actionable: I was told that a lawyer had already become involved. (That's why I'm going to the library this afternoon, by the way - to check whether the information is already in print). For now, any material whose sole source is Nash must be expunged. DS 16:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Found it

We've got a page about [our problems with Nash] - consider, for instance, the part about how Nash "repeatedly said that his books are seeded with misinformation, including incorrect facts and nonexistent people, so as to catch those who "steal" from his work".

Any Nash-based data must be expunged. He cannot be considered a reliable sourceq, point blank. DS 17:13, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] pdfs

I have some OCR software somewhere, so I would be interested if you are able to send me the pdfs. Rich Farmbrough, 18:49 6 November 2006 (GMT).

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[edit] Re: Rene Ramon Sanchez

No, I found no such article. Thanks, // Pilotguy (Cleared to land) 23:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Sheep & Wool Festival(s)

Nope, I've not been to the Maryland Festival... yet! I grew up near Rhinebeck, though, so it was a frequent attendance for me growing up, and now that I've gotten more seriously into knitting, crochet, and even a bit of spinning, it was a real treat to get back up there.

Thanks for the note, and for initiating that article! --Ninly 15:30, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lawn weeds and weed control

Hi Richard,

I noticed that you are the creator of Category:Lawn weeds, and was wondering if you'd be interested in helping to create some material on wikibooks about controlling lawn weeds. If you look at the pages in b:Category:Weed profiles, you can see some examples of where I'm trying to go.

Just a note: I'm an organic horticulturist, so I'm not as familiar with how lawn chemicals (specifically herbicides) are used, but I would like to see their use included on the weed profiles in that book. Does your chemical expertise extend to horticultural chemicals? --SB_Johnny|talk|books 12:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Actually, even if you were a chemical maximalist, that'd be good with me... the book just needs someone who understands that side of things better than I do. If there's any chemicals in particular that you can add some practical know-how about, you can just copy-paste the wikipedia article over and work on it, but make sure to request an import so we can have the wp contributors' history. You can request imports on my talk or at b:WB:RFI... import brings all versions of the article over.
I'm not sure how much you know about biochem (i.e., what exactly it is that a chemical does to inhibit and/or kill a weed, pest, or disease-causing organism), but I think having as much good info about that as possible -- in the simplest language possible -- will really be a big help in making the book a good resource for gardeners. If you need any help on the wikibooks side (administrative or otherwise), please consider me to be at your service. --SB_Johnny|talk|books 21:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Upcoming NYC Meetup

You might want to know when the next meetup was being organized in New York City. Plan for Saturday, 9 December 2006. While you're at it. Come help us decide on a restaurant. See: Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC. Spread the word. Thanks. —ExplorerCDT 03:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mason Gross

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

Without implying in any fashion a sense of ownership, please stop fucking up article I've worked on by adding things that don't belong (timeline, bad form in creating two-sentence sections, etc.). I've told you before, and in this case the information you segregated as "timeline" is already in the article, and if it isn't figure a way to incorporate it in the text. How many times do I have to tell you to stop such unjustified changes. STOP renaming articles in violation of the guidelines regarding naming (common names, for one), sectioning off short one, two or three sentence sections, adding puerile or redundant "timelines" and other "fluff" that I've brought up to you before. Further reversions or edits in this regard will be reported as vandalism. —ExplorerCDT 23:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

  • This is your last warning.
    The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

[edit] Answering to your AMA request

Hi! I'm your AMA advocate in your issue with ExplorerCDT. I understand you want a third party to come in to give his opinion on this matter. You could list your dispute in Third opinion; or maybe, you might want to list a Request for Comment, but this is more "serious". Take a look around them and see what would you like better. --Neigel von Teighen 17:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

ExplorerCDT is Christopher D. Thieme

OK, first let's get the diffs so we can begin to prepare the first step (almost surely a Request for Comment). If we enter a RfC, the idea is that both parties present their evidence and then other users give their support to whomever they think is right... It's the first step on Wikipedia's Dispute Resolution system (see here). At least for now, I would not recommend you an informal mediation unless he starts it. Anyway, you shouldn't scare because of those warnings; Cristopher is not an administrator, so he can't block anyone. --Neigel von Teighen 17:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion templates

Please do not put deletion templates on articles without giving a reason, even if it is an obvious deletion. Thanks! -- Casmith 789 17:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Robert Wood Johnson III

I added a Corporate Chairman subsection to the Johnson & Johnson page. You can see RWJIII never lead the company. I am not sure how accurate the succession box on his page is because he may have only been a president of a subsidiary. I do not know the company very well. TonyTheTiger 20:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Find anything? TonyTheTiger 00:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] James William Beekman

Hi, I believe the information on James William Beekman's page is wrong because he is not listed at the 31st United States Congress and he is not at http://bioguide.congress.gov/biosearch/biosearch.asp which has all senators and congressmen.

I have alot of stuff of mine deleted. I've been banned twice. I don't understand the copyright tags. I always put down the website I get it from and the tag I think is right, but it turns out to be wrong at times and User:RadioKirk always bans me. I also work for http://www.findagrave.com/ and I have never had an image deleted their I got from another site. I really don't get it. I just want to contribute. -User:The Mystery Man

[edit] US Army Signal Corps page

I don't know who you think you are or what the Manual of Style has to do with the etiquette for the mission statement on the site's page. Please do not try to edit or change the format already in place.

Please respond User:Signaleer 14:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military rank

Whats the rule for military rank capitalization? Is its always capitalized as a person's title, then uncapitalized when used elsewhere? Such as: "He worked with Captain John Doe, and several lieutenants" --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 00:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

There are various rules. The modern United States Army, I am told, insists on capitalizing them in all instances. Since I write about the American Civil War, the interests of the current U.S. Army do not apply. Therefore, I use common formal English usage, which is endorsed by WP:MOSCL#Titles and other entities, such as the Chicago Manual of Style. I have those rules described in User:Hlj/CWediting#Military ranks and you are welcome to apply them to your writing as well. Hal Jespersen 00:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

You should promote your guide to an MoS suggestion. Its well thought out, the existing one doesn't have enough in it. Where in the US are you, did you get hit by the big storm this week? Its in NJ now, wind advisory, its 65 degrees as the warm air is pushed ahead of the storm at 60 miles per hour. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 00:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

There is actually a discussion underway in WP:ACW to adopt my style guide, but since it is so specific to the Civil War, I would never attempt to enter the maelstrom of the mainstream Wikipedia style arena. I am quite indifferent about the adoption effort because I would rather establish and live by my own rules, rather than trying to convince others to codify them. Since I have written or edited probably over 500 ACW articles, I have established somewhat of a de facto standard without argument. The other really prolific ACW editor, Scott Mingus, also uses my style, so together we have it pretty well covered.
I live in Northern California, where it was in the mid-60s with sunny skies today. I did grow up in New Jersey, however, so I can feel your pain. :-) Do me a favor. If you would like to continue corresponding about this or other issues, e-mail me (there is a link in the yellow box on the top of my user page) because it is easier than this back-and-forth cutting and pasting. Hal Jespersen 00:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I stumbled onto this exchange and noted my name. I indeed follow most of Hal's style guide, as it provides uniformity. Every now and them I slip into my writing style that my publisher prefers, and have to stop and remember to use Wiki MPS. Scott Mingus 12:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Email

When are you going to turn on your email? And Congratulations on you POTD --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 18:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Email had worked in the past, not sure when they changed the policy on that. I'd prefer to talk here, but if email is needed, I just authenticated and enabled it. The featured picture of GCT wasn't taken by me, I just put it up for nomination. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 02:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Military deletion

I'm not sure exactly.... but in most cases, I'm trying to get those articles kept. Sharkface217 22:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bias against lists

It appears that the recent wave of AfDs on military event lists was motivated by an anti-list bias. The main arguments used were that the "lists are difficult to maintain and are incomplete". This is ludicrous since lists are easier to maintain than both categories and articles. They're easier than categories because lists are centralized and have built-in tracking while categories are decentralized and have no tracking (i.e., no edit histories). Lists are easier to maintain than articles because updating articles requires more grammar-based editing, while most lists have no grammar. In the case of lists with annotations, the editing is still simpler than for articles because you don't have to deal with paragraph structure - most annotations are a simple phrase or sentence. As for incompleteness, that argument is totally irrelevant as a reason for deletion of any page, as the entire encyclopedia is a work-in-progress, and with the exception of "the stub" being the minimum-sized page start, there is no minimum on how much a user can contribute with each save.  The Transhumanist   01:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Battle list restructuring effort

I just noticed that the person who nominated the battle lists for deletion is also taking a more direct approach at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#List re-constructing, to what end exactly is unclear at this time. Unfortunately, there's no way to tell from the talk pages of the lists that a discussion is taking place about them. I was lucky to have spotted it.  The Transhumanist   02:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proportionate pirate law

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Proportionate pirate law, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:Proportionate pirate law. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mhking (talk • contribs) 01:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

No sooner than the article has been deleted -- twice -- someone puts the same thing back as a redirect. It gives the impression of trying to circumvent the purpose of the deletion in the first place. But since an admin has seen fit to remove the deletion template, I'll give it up, as it obviously is tilting at windmills, and I'm being cast as the crazy bad guy. The hell with it. --Mhking 04:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] As of 2006

Since as of 2006 redirects us to 2006, wouldn't it be easier to just skip the redirect? Bgold4 17:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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