Talk:Revilo P. Oliver

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[edit] Palindrome

I'm adding

An article by him was denounced in print as a transparent fraud because the palindrome looked so suspicious.

My guess would be that the article was an op-ed piece in the New York Times in the 1960s. The accusation by a reader was published simultaneously with a statement that such and such an institution listed him among their faculty.
--Jerzy·t 17:40, 2005 August 4 (UTC)
I dunno if it's worth working into the article, but i'd never heard the name elsewhere, & got curious abt whether is was invented solely to provide the palindrome. It seems otherwise, even though most Google hits on

Revilo -Oliver

appear to be products or handles. Revilo Winchell Bio is pretty elaborate if it is a fraud; it says

Revilo Winchell was born in Rockville, Conn., March 23, 1837

and the placenames make sense. I'll research for further confirmation of its authenticity if requested.
--Jerzy·t 17:57, 2005 August 4 (UTC)

[edit] National Socialist?

What is the basis for the assertion that Oliver was a National Socialist, or held any Socialist viewpoints and/or ideology. nobs 05:25, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I wondered about the assertion too. I guess it is pretty accurate to say that he "came to openly embrace an essentially National Socialist worldview", as he was in accord with its main principles (esp. "anti-Semitic" Aryan racialism) and wrote favorably of it. I don't think of him as being an National Socialist in the same way that George Lincoln Rockwell or Savitri Devi were, as they held NS as the answer in a way that Oliver didn't seem to. In "Eminent Sheeny", Oliver asserts that "by destroying Hitler and the National Socialist régime in Germany, [Americans] destroyed their own future." As for being a Socialist, in The Spurious Shekel" he seems to regard National Socialism as "really only a kind of nationalism". —Morning star 06:25, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. That is a well researched and well presented response. In this particular case, it is not too much of strech to brand Oliver with the NS label, and seems well deserved too. nobs 14:31, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I feel this article is a smear and the accusations of fascist, anti-Semitic, neonazi, advocate of racism and anti-Jewish need to be backed up with proof. I have read some of his material and it is clearheaded intellectual analysis which demonstrates he was a great man with a lot of knowledge. This article makes him sound like some sort of goose stepping nazi. Lightningstrikes 05:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

You are exactly right. Wikipedia is notorious for its subtle philo-Marxist and philo-Judaic biases. Non-polemical scholarly accuracy in relation to Western racial nationalists is not very likely. See Kevin B. MacDonald on this subject, especially his Culture of Critique.

Comment As an admirer of Dr. Oliver, I don't see this article as particularly biased. It has things in it I like, and things in it I don't much care for, which rather ought to be the reaction of a partisan (on either side) to most neutral articles on controversial figures. I have read Dr. Oliver's America's Decline and The Jewish Strategy. In the first book, he speculates that it would be a good thing if in the future, as he felt was not unlikely, that the dominant religion of the West, Christianity, be replaced by a new faith in which Adolf Hitler would replace Jesus Christ as the central figure. On that basis, as well as the lack of any contradictory remarks in those two books, or in those of his other essays & speeches with which I am familiar, I feel quite comfortable in placing Dr. Oliver firmly in the camp of national socialism. The organization now known as National Vanguard, but previously known in the late 1960s as the National Youth Alliance, was overtly national socialist in orientation (the group's principal founder, Dr. William L. Pierce, was the editor of National Socialist World magazine, which was a publication of George Lincoln Rockwell's American National Socialist White Peoples Party). Dr. Oliver is regarded as one of its (the National Youth Alliance) other founders (in addition to Dr. Pierce, that is) and Dr. Oliver appears in a recruitment film for the National Youth Alliance. I have seen that film on VHS, and it consists of nothing but Dr. Oliver sitting at a desk while explaining the virtues of something which sounds an awful lot like a neo-Nazi perspective, and then he urges everyone watching to join the openly national socialist National Youth Alliance. This really should clear up the matter of whether or not its appropriate to call Dr. Oliver a national socialist. There's no doubt he was one. The fact that he was one of the relatively few American neo-Nazis to have won the respect of non-Nazis is irrelevant; he still was one.KevinOKeeffe 13:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)