Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Lir blocking and unblocking

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What, you don't have the integrity to question the original block? Pathetic. - Hephaestos|§ 04:59, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The original block was against policy, and the reason given was false, which is why I removed it. But Hephaestos did not block Lir all three times. If he had done so, this would be about him and not Hcheney. Hcheney reinstated a block disputed by two users knowing that it was against policy. Guanaco 05:46, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

1) I dispute that I violated any policy. 2) Even if it was against policy, how does Guanaco know, that I knew it was against policy? Can Guanaco read my mind? I assure you, I did not act with malice or mens rea (guilty intent). 3) I blocked Lir twice, and Guanaco unblocked Lir twice. Guanaco has been asked by several users to refrain from controversial unblocking, I have never been questioned about blocking by any user, except Guanaco, prior to this incident. 4) Upon realizing the action was not unilateral (because Guanaco received backup from like minded individuals), I backed down, even though I know Guanaco is wrong for unbanning Lir. --H. CHENEY 06:10, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Response

If my blocking Lir twice is of question, why is Guanaco's double unblocking acceptable?

My second unblock was only done after you had blocked Lir twice. Guanaco 05:59, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

So, what you are saying is, two wrongs make a right? If this is your justification, the community should review your conduct also. That is assuming you hold yourself to the same standard you hold me. --H. CHENEY 06:16, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I removed the vote of Lir, because at that moment, Lir would have been blocked if it was not for Guanaco's unilateral action. Upon realizing there was some community support for including Lir's vote, I left Lir's vote as it was, and added a note of objection.

Lir should never have been blocked. My unilateral action was appropriate according to Wikipedia:Blocking policy#Unblocking. Guanaco 05:59, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I disagree that your unilateral action followed the community guidelines. Furthermore, you ignored repeated requests by Maximus Rex, RickK, Hephaestos, and myself to refrain from controversial unbanning. I feel you have aided a blocked user to evade a block. --H. CHENEY 06:16, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I did not ban Lir for holding "unpopular opinions". I banned Lir because I felt that Lir was evading an earlier block with the aid of Guanaco.

Maybe so. But if the original block was for that or similar reasons, it is still against policy to reblock that person. Guanaco 05:59, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Lir was blocked, and I was enforcing Hephaestos' block. In the past 30 days, all of Lir's contributions are obviously trolling. Even if Hephaestos used poor logic, which was not the case, I feel I was more than justified in blocking Lir for 30 days. --H. CHENEY 06:20, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] With

I would like to withdraw from this complaint. However, I will only do so if Hcheney is willing to admit that blocking Lir was against policy. Lir will likely want to continue.

It is futile to complain against Hephaestos, because he knows what he is doing is against policy and will continue to do it. That is part of the reason why Hephaestos was not listed. There will not ever be strong community support for action against him, and I probably would not support it myself. This situation has been shown in past cases against Hephaestos. Guanaco 06:29, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yet on the other hand there has been, and will almost certainly continue to be, strong community support for action against Lir. So what was this about again? - Hephaestos|§ 06:38, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

This RfC page will remain because it is not in the community's interest to have this page removed. I feel the community should be informed of this situation, and I believe this is a very fair forum for information and dialog. As for you, I find it reprehensible that you are only starting a requests for comment page about my conduct just because I am a softer target than Hephaestos. As for Lir, I would be considered a pretty lax and unproductive admin if I didn't have extremely controversial and/or hard-banned user on my case. Right now I am trying very hard to assume good faith regarding your unblockings. Maybe if would be appropriate if you agreed to discontinue unblocking users until this matter is resolved? --H. CHENEY 19:12, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

---

Hephaestos blocked me illegally twice in January, he should also be desysoped. Lirath Q. Pynnor

[edit] Refactored

I have refactored this page into a general review of the situation. Guanaco 02:52, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)