Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Licorne

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[edit] Preparing the RfC

I think you have plenty material for an RfC. The pattern is clear; IMHO there is no need to overwhelm Wikipedians with the evidence. The purpose of an RfC is to convince Licorne that the community thinks he should change.

I'll be very happy to certify the RfC once it goes live. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 14:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

• Awesome. I just wanted to add in the diffs for those comments below, just so there is no question about them. But I agree that it is rather filled out at this point, and there is no need to document everything. :-) --Fastfission 16:36, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

• OK. I finished it up (I didn't add all of the diffs because I just ran out of steam and it seemed unnecessary -- if anybody wants them, I'll look them up, but I don't think they will be disputed, since most of them are still quite visible on the article talk pages), moved it to the right spot, and formatted it according to the template. I have a sinking feeling that I've wasted just way to much time on this but I don't see any other way around it. --Fastfission 17:30, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence of sock puppetry

In this post, Licorne discusses a vote from 69.22.98.146. In this post, however, Licorne implies that he is not 69.22.98.146. In this post, however 69.22.98.146 practically admits that he or she is Licorne. Does that evidence belong on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Licorne? The Rod (☎ Smith) 21:32, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

In my notes on IP addresses, I noticed that User:69.22.98.162 stopped contributing on Feb 1. while User:69.22.98.146 started Feb 1, 2006. Both IPs are Earthlink/Mindspring cable subscribers in the Tampa Bay area, FL. This is consistent with industry practices of occasionally changing the IP address of a cable modem - and we can expect the IP to change again around March 1. I wonder if people who post "anonymously" realize that their IP addresses reveal more about them than a login name does? --Alvestrand 21:20, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Licorne = Bjerknes?

(adding to speculation, since Hillman mentioned this on the RfC page) I hadn't heard that one before - unless Dean Mamas is pushing books under the name of Bjerknes, it doesn't seem to fit the bits that Licorne's slipped out about himself. I wondered for a while if De kludde was Licorne, but they seem to be different people by their "tone" - for all I know, De kludde may be Bjerknes. But I have no bio data on Bjerknes at all. --Alvestrand 07:00, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• I don't think he is Bjerknes but I imagine that most of his information is from Bjerknes (hence part of the reason he can't fess up to quoting out of context and supply his sources immediately is that he is probably getting it all second hand with bad citation info). Though there are certain things which surprise me -- for example, it is clear that Licorne has some sort of access to Friedwardt Winterberg, since he was able to post a number of scanned documents relating to him on a geocities website. Whether that is direct or via Bjerknes, I don't know. In any event, it doesn't really matter. --Fastfission 01:31, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

• As an aside, there is someone named Dean Mamas who received a PhD from UCLA (I admit to being surprised by this), who wrote the following thesis in 1977:

Author/Name: Mamas, Dean Leo, 1949-

Title: Negative ion plasmas : confinement of toroidal plasma currents by surface magnetic fields / by Dean Leo Mamas. --

Published/distributed: 1977.

Physical description: ix, 80 leaves : ill. ; 28 cm.

Subject(s): Plasma dynamics.

Genre/form: Dissertations, Academic --UCLA --Physics.

Record ID: 2268898

Collection: UCLA Libraries and Collections

• Anyway, whether this is actually Licorne or not still changes nothing, of course, but I thought it might be interesting for people speculating about whether he was Bjerknes or not. On a whim I thought I would search for the name on UCLA library page, and admit I was surprised that it came up as a real name. Amazing that a 57-year-old guy would waste his time in this way, somewhat sad. --Fastfission 01:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Alvestrand, Fastfission, I'd like to discuss some matters of mutual interest in private, so we should exchange emails. Bjerknes was an informal first guess; it is true that quite a few cranks seem to put up inadequately attributed copies of documents they found at another crank site, and often parrot one another rather closely, so this first guess could well be wrong. I doubt Licorne will be willing to admit to a real life identity, but I have some promising ideas. Please email User:Jitse Niesen and ask him to forward your emails to me. ---CH 00:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

The e-mail I use for Wikipedia-related things is fastfission@gmail.com -- you (or anyone else) are welcome to send me a message at any time, about any thing! :-) --Fastfission 01:52, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks! Anyone interested can see the article Christopher Jon Bjerknes for biographical information. ---CH 02:27, 28 February 2006 (UTC)