Wikipedia:Requests for comment/WHEELER

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[edit] Statement of the dispute

This is a summary written by users who dispute this user's conduct.

  • Description:

WHEELER has made a personal attack of an anti-Semitic nature and other attacks. He wrote in Talk:Early_National_Socialism/draft:

And by the way since you want to declare a pedigree just because your relatives suffered under the Holocaust.
The Nazis also committeed atrocities on the island of Crete. My uncle, Sirodakis, was a great underground fighter. It was my island that lead a ferocious resistance to the Nazis. It was my co-religionists, Catholic priests that went to the camps as well. And it was Jewish communists that destroyed the Orthodox Church in Russia. Many a Christian died in Jewish concentration camps in Russian before the Nazis ever killed a single Jew. So don't cry buster and don't wave your victimhood in my face.WHEELER 15:43, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Evidence of disputed behavior (provide diffs and links):
  1. Anti-Semitic personal attack on Talk:Early_National_Socialism/draft
  • Applicable policies:
  1. Wikipedia:No personal attacks
  • Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute (provide diffs and links):
  1. subsequent discussion on Talk:Early_National_Socialism/draft
  2. User_talk:WHEELER
  • Users certifying the basis for this dispute (sign with ~~~~):
  1. AndyL 03:06, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  2. Slrubenstein 18:19, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Other users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):
  1. Simonides 03:56, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  2. 172 07:24, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  3. StoptheBus18 19:03, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  4. Jwrosenzweig 20:42, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  5. That's a disgusting comment. Neutrality 01:22, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  6. Fred Bauder 21:05, Jul 3, 2004 (UTC)
  7. David Gerard 10:12, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Addendum

  1. WHEELER engaged in further personal attacks (though not of an anti-Semitic nature) at Talk:National_Socialism AndyL 18:13, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  2. WHEELER is attacking me on his user page AndyL 20:40, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Response

This is a summary written by the user whose conduct is disputed, or by other users who think that the dispute is unjustified and that the above summary is biased or incomplete. Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~): I did not make any anti-semetic comments. Andy is free to attack the Catholic Church all he wants to. I just come back that it was Jewish Bolsheviks of Russia that destroyed the Orthodox Church in Russia. This is the truth. He doesn't like the truth and so labels me anti-semetic. Anytime any criticism is laid against the Jews, they are labelled AntiSemetic. It's an ad-hominem attack. Andy is busy making the Catholic Church responsible for all of Nazism but then refuse to see their complicity in the Russian Revolution. Just because I point that out, doesn't make me an anti-semite.WHEELER 14:39, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Andy deleted my original material, incorporate it into the Nazism article. Then he takes the material and forms a new article from it without referencing me, talking to me. YOU did nothing like this. You stole material. You vote to delte the material and take 3'4 of it and make an article with it. This is why I am mad. You do things, and then you act all innocent like I am the instigator of this. I do not believe that you vote the material down, take it then and place it elsewhere. My dander is up. You never talked, you just revert and make me do all the talking. You never talk first, you delete and then make me do all the talking.WHEELER 16:49, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Andy stole material deletes my post, and you people do nothing. And now I am getting ganged up on. Andy is constantly reverting stuff that I have quotes on. And just because I point out his hypocrisy. This happened in Berea College, This goes on everywhere I go. My words will get me in trouble but Andy's Actions will not. I am only pointing out his inconsistencies and his attitude toward quotes. He does not want to acknowledge the "Socialism" in Nazism or Fascism articles. he deletes my quotes constantly. This is not right. He is not being intellectually honest and all I am doing is lampooning his dishonesty in his incapability and his refusal to acknowledge facts. What he is doing is censoring. WHEELER 16:54, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yup, the corrupt of the administrators abuse the shit out of their powers. You can't direct the things that they direct at you (seriously) back towards them in an OBVIOUSLY overblown and ironic way, because it's considered not only "personal attacks", "racism", and "vandalism", but they also consider it to be a form of insubordination, which is funny, because when I first started on this project in early '03, I was (and still am) NO ONE's subordinate! The fact that these desposts think otherwise is barbarous! Why are they so high-and-mighty that THEY'RE above the general Wiki standards of conduct, but when WE hold a mirror up in front of their faces, WE'RE suddenly the bad guys?172.152.114.121 18:06, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Lampooning is not a personal attack. Michael Moore does it all the time. And the above quote is NOT anti-semetic. I may have been overboard in the word Jewish Bolshevism but the majority of the leadership cadre of the Bolshevist party including Trotsky was Jewish. That is the truth. The Orthodox Church was destroyed during the Russian Revolution. 200,000 Orthodox priests were outright murdered by that regime. you don't see any memorials in this country about that incident either.WHEELER 17:03, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yup, you're right. If lampooning and parody were illegal, Saturday Night Live would have long gone bankrupt. The fact of the matter is that NONE of the arguments that these administrators are using would last for an hour's time in an American court of law. The judges with whom I work told me that they'd laugh people making such accusations of "hate crimes" right out of the courtroom. On the contrary, however, those of us who've been censored, coerced into not wanting to exercise our Constitutional rights to press legal charges (even of being THREATENED against doing so), libelled, slandered, or otherwise harassed do have very valid legal bases for complaint. Why anyone would believe it to be legally acceptable to stereotype a "MAJORITY" group (like the Christians) but not acceptable to do so to another group (like the Jews) is beyond me. That such a belief was implied is, as I've said, itself a hate crime.172.152.114.121 18:06, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

My authors are constantly called "rightwing"cranks. Cranks is the word they used. That is a slur. but will that be punished noooooo just Wheeler.WHEELER 17:05, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

You have my support, WHEELER! These people are Nazis! Is Andy a Jew? He's an asshole, at any rate! He pulled similar crap with me. He's got a bunch of gay friends running around this site who consider ANY disagreement with them to be "homophobic" in nature; obviously Andy himself is the Jew equivalent! Minorities who think their minority status makes them better than non-minorities SHOULD HAVE BEEN wiped out by Hitler, if you ask me!152.163.253.8 07:46, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

"Andy deleted my original material, incorporate it into the Nazism article. Then he takes the material and forms a new article from it without referencing me, talking to me. YOU did nothing like this. You stole material. You vote to delte the material and take 3'4 of it and make an article with it. This is why I am mad. You do things, and then you act all innocent like I am the instigator of this. I do not believe that you vote the material down, take it then and place it elsewhere. My dander is up. You never talked, you just revert and make me do all the talking. You never talk first, you delete and then make me do all the talking.WHEELER 16:49, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)"

THIS paragraph deserves special attention, WHEELER, because abusive, power-mad sociopaths, who are also out to get me because I asked one of them an honest, innocent question and he somehow managed to take it as a "personal attack", DO use the most shady and manipulative of tactics to make THEMSELVES looks innocent; meanwhile, it is THEY who instigated the entire problem. I know EXACTLY what you're going through. And, you are definitely correct, if you try to rebut their claims, they revert your edits, OR they consider your defending yourself "vandalism" and then use it to-piggy-back onto their original, falsified claims of "vandalism"--thus, making you look like the bad guy anyway because people here are too STUNOD to read what you've actually WRITTEN, instead just focussing on the fact that you're "not in a position" to refute the more "powerful" administrator's FRAUDULENT claims.

Fortunately for me, I am a very powerful and successful lawyer offline. I know my rights. I've begun the formal, legal charging of these people (who've tried numerous times to strip me of my Constitutional rights) in both my county and state courthouses. (If you need defending or would like to file legal complaints, I'd be more than willing to assist you.)

But, yes, I know exactly what you're going through. Any questions that they cannot answer, they delete. This is why I felt forced to go above this silly project's "administrators'" heads (WAY above them), and had to file legal charges against them. It seems to be the only way that some of these people will finally admit their wrongs. They can't censor an American court proceeding very well, can they? It's a shame that these wackjobs brought things so far--this used to be a very enjoyable passtime for me.172.152.114.121 17:52, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Are you out of your fucking skull? Legal proceedings? For what? What can you do? Jesus, if you're really lawyer, I feel bad for anyone you represent. StoptheBus18 19:27, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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