Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Nightscream

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[edit] Statement of the dispute

Nightscream is edit warring at Wolverine (comics). The user also refuses to engage in meaningful discussion.

[edit] Description

Nightscream wishes to insert a long and overly detailed description of Wolverine's powers into the page. Other editors have attempted to accomodate the user's broad points where appropriate, but the user still insists on edit warring to gain his outcome. Has no interest in reaching a compromise.

[edit] Evidence of disputed behavior

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  1. Talk:Wolverine (comics)#Current Edit This is the consensus position all other editors have drafted to accomodate Nightscream's edit without unbalancing the information on the page or introducing POV statements.
  2. Talk:Wolverine (comics)#Nightscream's New Edit This is Nightscream's edit which he insits on inserting, regardless of the compromise position.

[edit] Applicable policies

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  1. Wikipedia:Three-revert rule
  2. Wikipedia:Resolving disputes

[edit] Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

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  1. Talk:Wolverine (comics)
  2. User Talk:Nightscream

[edit] Users certifying the basis for this dispute

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  1. Steve block 14:28, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
  2. ScifiterX 15:19, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
  3. SoM 17:29, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

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  1. Pc13 10:50, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Response

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[edit] Netoholic's view

So, let me get this straight. Nightscream wants to add more information to our encyclopedia, and there are other editors that don't want that information. Since noone seems to be disputing the factual basis for the information, that doesn't seem to be a problem. Some have contested the NPOV status of the additions, but I don't really see a problem and even if I did that can be fixed with editing, not blanket removal.

I suggest the initiators of this RFC re-evaluate whether they have been accommodating during this. There are plenty of solutions than simple reversion. One could edit the Nightscream's section down a bit. One could even reduce it to a summary and split it off into its own article. I for one find information about the super powers far more interesting than boring storyline information.

So, ALL of you stop edit warring, and find some balanced way of presenting this information. -- Netoholic @ 14:15, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

I am compelled to respond to this. No. That is not it at all. No he is not trying to add good objective information to the encyclopedia. He is trying to add bad information (NPOV, biased, opinion, conjecture, etc). He is trying to add the most nebulous kind of fan cruft. And people have been disputing his facts. If you look on the discussion page you can see where I specifically took apart his edit and did exactly that. Believe what you will but you are wrong. We tried to find something valid in his edit and were not able to find anything. There was a very good reason that he was blocked. His accusation that it was unfair and that he had no idea the discussion was even taking place or where it was taking place shows you just how honest and reasonable Nightscream is. Look a little closer at the dialogue. ScifiterX 22:16, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
I also do not appreciate your contention that a group of people advocating thier side of an argument in a discussion is the same as edit warring. We did not knowingly break the 3 revert rule. Nighscream did. We did not ignore the discussion that was going on or pretend we didn't know about it. Nightscream did. He is the one who has been breaking the rules and sticking his nose up at both the democratic process inherent in this site and those who abide by it such as yourself. ScifiterX 22:24, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):

  1. Steve block talk 08:49, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
  2. ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) I really don't see why this user's behaviour is a problem. Adding detailed information about something notable that is both neutral, and uncontested as to its accuracy, is exactly what Wikipedia is about. ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) 18:46, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment (not an endorsement) I've contested the accuracy all along, on the basis that Nightscream attempts a level of precision beyond what the source material can support. - SoM 19:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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