Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Mikeabundo

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Contents 1 Statement of the dispute 1.1 Evidence of disputed behavior 1.2 Applicable policies 1.3 Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute 1.4 Users certifying the basis for this dispute 1.5 Other users who endorse this summary 2 Response 2.1 Response by <username> 3 Outside view by Mangojuice 4 Outside view by Thatcher131 5 Discussion

[edit] Statement of the dispute

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Insists on including a link to a video from his own website on the Numa Numa article. Refuses to discuss why this video is not appropriate (viz: the sound is so bad you can't even tell it's Dragostea din Tei, and the video is so bad you can't even tell they're cosplayers), and reverts on sight without any explanation.

It's worth noting that a vanity article the user wrote about himself (Mike Abundo) was deleted, and that there is some controversy on the Cosplay article about his repeated attempts to promote his own website in the article, which is what he appears to be doing with this video as well.

[edit] Evidence of disputed behavior

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1. Having rewritten the entire article, and checked each of the links, I remove the cosplay video link. Mikeabundo restores it: [1]
2. I remove it again, with the edit summary "Remove cosplay link again. This video is of such poor quality that it is totally useless in terms of being informative. you can barely see or hear what's happening. We don't need every numa video." Mikeabundo restores it [2]
3. I remove it again, and place a note on the article talk page giving my rationale. Mikeabundo restores it again [3] I begin to wonder whether he's actually in the video
4. I ask Mikeabundo to explain why he wants to keep the link on the page, given how crappy the video is. He refuses and restores the link [4]
5. And once again [5]
6. Admin User:KI removes the link, and places a warning on Mikeabundo's talk page [6]. Mikeabundo ignores this, and once again restores the link without explanation [7].
7. KI reverts, and Mikeabundo once again restores the link without explanation [8].

Each time, Mikeabundo has refused to discuss this, and is now accusing me of attacking him personally. He has refused to comment on the fact that the video is from his own website.

See also Talk:Numa Numa#Cosplay video, Talk:Cosplay, the disputed video], which links from Pinoycosplay.com, Mikeabundo's website.

Also, see this link, evidence that Mikeabundo, in his role as Admin of Pinoycosplay.com, uploaded the video in question to that site and is promoting it.

[edit] Applicable policies

{list the policies that apply to the disputed conduct}

1. Ownership of Articles
2. Consensus- This is a guideline, not policy, but still relevant.
3. WP:NOT, specifically, Wikipedia is not a soapbox, Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files

[edit] Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

Talk:Numa Numa#Cosplay video.

[edit] Users certifying the basis for this dispute

{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}

1. Exploding Boy 02:57, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
2. KI 15:57, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other users who endorse this summary

 (aeropagitica)  (talk)  06:08, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Response

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[edit] Response by <username>

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[edit] Outside view by Mangojuice

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There is no siginificant policy violation in terms of user behavior here. This is simply an edit disagreement, with no claim that it has gotten heated or out of control. I think the fact that the users bringing this RFC quote that "Wikipedia is not a repository of links" is quite hypocritical: if that's the case, why is there an indiscriminate list of amateur Numa Numa videos in the article?

Users endorsing this view:

• Mangojuice 21:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Outside view by Thatcher131

I agree with Mangojuice in principal but not with the use of the term "hypocritical." We can AGF that Exploding boy was trying to maintain some quality standard regarding the sites that are linked to. However, unless there was some consensus process that determined which Numa Numa videos would be linked to and which would not, the exclusion of any one video is largely arbitrary and based solely on Exploding boy's definition of "quality." Exploding boy also appears to have some ownership issues of his own, likely related to his having rewritten the article. Mikeabundo should disclose any personal interest in the video he is promoting. The two of them should submit a joint request for an article RfC to determine community consensus on how many external links to include and any particular inclusion criteria.

Users endorsing this view:

1. Thatcher131 19:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
2. I can agree with that; I don't think either of the nominators were acting in bad faith, just not in accordance with policy. Mangojuice 19:51, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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