Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Giovanni33

[edit] Giovanni33

Clerk note: The report was copied here from User talk:Jayjg [1] to maintain a public record in this case. Thatcher131 (talk) 01:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Jayjg. Since you posted recently at WP:AN/I about Giovanni33 and his puppets, I wonder if you'd mind if I give you a list of all suspects. I'm including Deuteronomy2000, simply because others thought, briefly, that he was Giovanni. I never thought so at any stage, and I'm experienced with Gio's puppetry. That suspicion came from someone who knew about Gio's history of puppetry but had no prior encounter with him, and led to the brief tagging of the user page. I asked the two people who were tagging the page to stop, and they stopped.

• Giovanni33 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)
• BelindaGong (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) found by Morven to be the same as Giovanni. They originally pretended to have no connection. After the usercheck, he said she was his wife.
• Freethinker99 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) see this and this
• Kecik (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)
• MikaM (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)
• FionaS (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)
• RTS (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)
• NPOV77 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)
• HK30 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)
• Mercury2001 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)
• Professor33 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)
• NeoOne (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) (seems to have edited from Professor33's IP)
• 67.114.45.132 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) recently appeared at Christianity, with similar POV to Giovanni. Did some edit warring. IP seems to come from same area. Too early for me to make a clear judgment based on linguistic or behavioural evidence, but it's a possibility.
• Deuteronomy2000 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) (not connected to Giovanni, as far as I'm concerned, but was suspected by people who had less experience of Gio's puppetry than I have)

Can you help to sort out this mess? Many thanks. AnnH ♫ 19:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

• Hi Ann. Many of these editors cannot be checked, but some still can. As before, Professor33 is likely a sockpuppet of Giovanni33, and NeoOne is without doubt a sockpuppet of Professor33. Kecik and MikaM could be sockpuppets of Giovanni33, but the CheckUser evidence is inconclusive. Deuteronomy2000 is a sockpuppet of a different editor. Jayjg ^(talk) 21:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Confirmed I have now confirmed Professor33 as a sockpuppet of Giovanni33, and NeoOne, and CleanSocks. Given the continuing sockpuppeting, I don't see any other choice except blocking. Jayjg ^(talk) 20:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC) Link

[edit] Giovanni33

• Giovanni33 (talk • contribs • block user • block log • checkuser)

Giovanni33 appeared at the Christianity article recently, and began to make controversial edits which were disputed by several other editors. He reverted in blatant violation of the 3RR rule, despite numerous warnings. Other editors were slow to report him, as he was a new user. He sometimes edits from IP address 64.121.40.153, while not logged in; he acknowledges these edits as his. After other editors opposed Giovanni33, IP address 38.114.145.148 reverted back to his version.[2] It was the first edit from that IP address. The IP 38.114.145.148 then made a comment on talk page, supporting Giovanni33, and signing as "Belinda".[3] About half an hour later, new user BelindaGong appeared, and reverted to Giovanni's version – her first edit. Between 12:51 and 17:02 on 23 January, she reverted five times. Giovanni33 was also reverting. Belinda was asked several times to confirm whether or not she was 38.114.145.148. Eventually, she said she did not know her IP address, but that if that first post to the talk page had "Belinda" at the end, it was probably hers. She denied that an edit from a very similar address, 38.114.145.145, [4] (supporting Giovanni33) had come from her.

Around the same time, three more new users appeared on the scene, all supporting Giovanni33 as their very first edit. I do not personally think that BelindaGong is Giovanni33, but there is a strong possibility that the other three accounts are linked to one or other of them. On some occasions, the new users turned up to support Giovanni33 at Early Christianity and Transubstantiation (see here, where they voted), without being asked to through their talk page. Unless they are meatpuppets, they could not have been asked by e-mail, either, as Giovanni33 is the only one who has "e-mail this user enabled".

There was a lot of reverting at the Christianity article, with Belinda going well beyond the 3RR, and Giovanni going massively beyond it. (At one stage, he made eleven reverts in eighteen and a half hours, split between his username and his IP, though I think that is from an unintentional logout.) They have both been blocked for continuing to violate 3RR after repeated warnings. See

• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:BelindaGong and
• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:Giovanni33_combined_with_User:64.121.40.153

The accounts are:

Giovanni33 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)

64.121.40.153 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log), which Giovanni33 edits from.

BelindaGong (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)

38.114.145.148 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log), which BelindaGong has agreed is probably hers

38.114.145.145 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log), which BelindaGong may edit from

MikaM (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)

69.107.7.138 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log), which MikaM acknowledged here that he edits from

69.106.243.31 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log), which MikaM may edit from

TheShriek (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)

Kecik (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)

198.144.207.115 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log), which appeared this morning, in support of Giovanni33.

Please note that I am not asking for their IP addresses. I am giving the IP addresses that they seem to edit from (and acknowledge editing from) just so as to provide full information. Logouts seem to happen accidentally, rather than to game the system. However, I would like to know if there is any link between the five users, and whether the registered users who acknowledge one IP address are in fact using other IPs as well. Thank you.

Requested by: AnnH ^(talk) 21:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

User:Giovanni33 is also User:BelindaGong. I can't see any sockpuppetry from User:MikaM. User:TheShriek is also User:SOPHIA. I can't see any sockpuppetry from User:Kecik. —Matthew Brown (T:C) 14:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Sophia and TheShriek are a married couple. Same IP, different individuals. archola 06:54, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MikaM (talk • contribs), Kecik (talk • contribs) and others

User:Giovanni33, a blocked revert warrior at Adolf Hitler, has already been shown to be the owner of sockpuppet User:BelindaGong. The evidence is building rapidly that User:Giovanni33 is now using sockpuppets User:Kecik and User:MikaM to continue this disruptive revert war. I think some sort of a sockpuppet check would be more than helpful. Thanks. Wyss 00:45, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

MikaM (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) and Kecik (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) are not the same user. Fred Bauder 01:44, 17 February 2006 (UTC). Neither are the same user as Giovanni33 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) who may have had a sockpuppet BelindaGong (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) Fred Bauder 02:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Fred. While I hate to disapoint them, I'd appreciate if these POV warriors would stop making the accusations against me and other new users. I consider it a personal attack and in violation of Wiki culture. Many users are convinced that this is primarily motivated by POV disputes, including old users. We have already lost new and old users as a result, leaving in protest over the witch-hunts against anyone who agrees with User:Giovanni33 POV staring in the Christianity pages and flowing over into others. Its time for this to stop. You know who you are, so I need not name, names. Thanks. MikaM 02:28, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 208.54.15.129 (talk • contribs), MikaM (talk • contribs), 69.107.21.3 (talk • contribs), Freethinker99 (talk • contribs), and Kecik (talk • contribs)

I suspect that these may be sockpuppets of Giovanni33 (talk • contribs)/BelindaGong (talk • contribs), who were checked before and found to be the same. I believe Giovanni33 is using these accounts to violate the 3rr on Christianity, and to evade his block for 3rr violations. Related evidence that Freethinker99 is Giovanni33 is this change on Giovanni33's usertalk page: [5] Tom Harrison ^Talk 15:10, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

The same user group is showed up a block on Adolph Hitler and started to aggressively pursue a particular POV. All of these accounts are about 1 month old (roughly equivalent to User:Giovanni33) and have less than 100 edits. Given the amount of trolling, it might be best to protect both Adolph Hitler and Christianity to give [[User:Giovanni33] some time to cool off. Jbetak 20:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Giovanni33 has emailed me several times, claiming each time that he is the husband of User:BelindaGong and even stated that he would fax copy of ID's to me as proof. Regardless, these other "editors" are another matter...Giovanni33, BelindaGong and Freethinker99 are all currently under a 48 hour block and this will expire in about 24 hours.--MONGO 05:17, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

MikaM acknowledged here that the IP address 69.107.7.138 was his/hers. 69.106.243.31 is probably the same person, as it's a very similar address and the edit is one which MikaM wanted, according to discussion on the talk page. MikaM, who is fully aware of 3RR, reverted twice recently (to Giovanni33's preferred version), and then 69.107.21.3 reverted three more times. I asked MikaM on the Christianity talk page to state whether or not he/she was behind those last three reverts, but he/she refused to answer, saying that an earlier sockcheck had shown that he/she was not a sockpuppet. That check, of course, was to see if MikaM was editing from the same IP as another registered user: it did not prove that future edits would always be made logged on.

• 23:36 12 February MikaM reverts
• 23:38 12 February MikaM reverts
• 00:17 13 February 69.107.21.3 reverts
• 00:27 13 February 69.107.21.3 reverts
• 01:03 13 February 69.107.21.3 reverts with "Beware 3RR" in edit summary

This shows a strong connection between the three IP addresses.

Additionally, Kecik reverted three times (to Giovanni33's preferred version), and then there was a revert from an IP address. I asked Kecik both on the Christianity talk page, and on his/her own talk page, to state whether or not that edit came from him/her, but so far, there has been no response.

• 20:09 14 February, Kecik reverts
• 20:17 14 February, Kecik reverts
• 20:20 14 February, Kecik reverts
• 22:34 14 February, 208.54.15.129 reverts

Giovanni33 has been shown by a sockcheck to be BelindaGong. Having been exposed, he now claims that she is his wife. That may, or may not, be true. If it is true, they set up an elaborate pretence about not knowing each other, even to the messages they sent to each other on their talk pages. Her very first edit was to revert to Giovanni's version. She and he, even when we did not know their connection, reverted well above three times per day, despite numerous warnings. We were reluctant to report newcomers. After they were finally blocked, they were more careful, but still did six a day between them. They also took two votes on talk pages. The contributions of BelindaGong, MikaM, and Kecik show that their purpose on Wikipedia is to agree with Giovanni and to revert to his version. Freethinker99 pretended to be a genuine newcomer while GiovanniBelinda was blocked, reverted to his/their version, and then answered a question which had been addressed to Giovanni on Giovanni's talk page, while logged on as Freethinker99. He then logged on as Giovanni33, and changed the signature. He/they then tried to claim that they knew each other and that Giovanni just happened to be at Freethinker's house, and Freethinker had allowed him to use the computer, but had forgotten to log off as Freethinker.

All in all, there is a very disturbing pattern of new users with no prior history at Wikipedia arriving and coming to all the pages he edits, agreeing with him on the talk page, reverting to his version, claiming consensus where none exists, and following him to other articles and voting for whatever he votes for. AnnH ^(talk) 13:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

All in all a very disturbing pattern by older users such as yourself, who are attacking any new user who happens to agree with Giovanni. I'd appreciate if you would stop making the accusations against me and the other new users. I consider it a personal attack and in violation of Wiki culture. You seem to follow me around and instigate this by snide remarks, and insinuations. It's harmful and distracts everyone attention away from the editing work we come here for. Instead it only creates a frezy of personal accusations, and attacks. Many users are convinced that this is primarily motivated by POV disputes (not just new users who feel this way), steming from the Christianity article. We have already lost good new and old users as a result, who left protest over the witch-hunts against anyone who agrees with User:Giovanni33 POV. Its time for this to stop. Btw, your descriptions of the events regarding Giovanni, Belinda, and Freethinker are biased and not completely accurate. MikaM 02:42, 17 February 2006 (UTC)