Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek/Evidence/Coolcat

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[edit] Analysis of user(s) prior to me meeting them

[edit] User:Davenbelle

All contribs: [1]

  1. A quick scroll of his entier edit contribution suggests his entier contribution lately is reverting people
  2. Prior to that I see a large number of minor edits, spelling corrections etc.

Few things that has caught my attention, now I will not claim I have analized everything nor do I claim to know anything about the disputes user is involved. But I think it explains the behavior of the user.

Users dispute with User:Ollieplatt

  • Note that User:Ollieplatt is a sockpuppet and is blocked indefinately. So he had merit to pursue him... However..., there are some rather questionable reverts of some User:Ollieplatt edits. I do not know the details of the dispute but I'll coment on what I saw.
  1. Saul_Alinsky: 19:44, 21 January 2005 - User:Davenbelle - Reverted edits by Ollieplatt to last version by Davenbelle
    • I do not see anything that warrants a revert.
  2. Barbara_Boxer: 19:43, 21 January 2005 - User:Davenbelle - Reverted edits by Ollieplatt to last version by Davenbelle
    • I do not see anything that warrants a revert.
  3. User_talk:Davenbelle: 21:30, 19 January 2005 - User:Davenbelle - delete troll talk
    • I certainly would not clasify removing someones comments on my talkpage without responding as good practice.
    • Also check out the comment by User:Jwrosenzweig complaining about Davenbelle reverting User:Ollieplatt too easily.
  4. User_talk:Davenbelle: 18:35, 18 January 2005 - User:Davenbelle - deleted troll talk
    • Labeling someone as a Troll can be viewed as a personal attack. Given that the Arbcom ruling regarding Ollieplatt was established in 27 Jan
  5. Barack_Obama: 13:49, 18 January 2005 - User:Davenbelle - rv vandalism to image captoin by User:Ollieplatt; 250px to accommodate caption
  6. The_American_Voter: 14:24, 18 January 2005 - User:Davenbelle - rv vandalism by User:Ollieplatt; known troll
    • I do not see the "trolling" reverted here as well.
  7. Jimmy_Carter: 14:40, 18 January 2005 - User:Davenbelle - rv known troll User:Ollieplatt; tweaked infobox
    • It is a fact that 52 americans were held hostige by Iranians, I do not see someone revering a troll here.
  8. User_talk:RickK: 14:25, 18 January 2005 - User:Davenbelle - Ollieplatt's new Troll:Ollieplatt page
    • Complaining about an offensive picture and declaring a user "troll" w/o an arbcom ruling to that extent.


  1. Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers: 21:50, 25 December 2004 - User:Davenbelle - Reverted edits by User:Zeimusu to last version by User:Blankfaze -- 'comport' is correct!
    • An awfully professional revert for a newbie. Given this is his 28th edit. Apparently he is amazing familiar with Wikipedia for one so "new".

[edit] Evidence prior to the start of arbcom case (13:14, 24 July 2005 (UTC))

  1. Note: None of the cases below did the users joined the discussion prior to my arrival, evidence aside from the RfC itself is below.
  2. Note: I have discussed a few of the cases, the actual dispute spreads into almost every article I edit. But I do not believe that much evidence is necessary, I can dig it up if requested. --Cool Cat My Talk 02:36, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
  3. Note: Best aproach is probably reviewing contributions. [2]

[edit] Inaproporate behaviour at Greco-Turkish_relations!

CIA Factbook image of Greece, mind the city names.
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CIA Factbook image of Greece, mind the city names.
CIA Factbook image of Turkey, mind the city names.
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CIA Factbook image of Turkey, mind the city names.

Mediation attempt #2: Greco-Turkish relations

  1. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 00:05, 27 March 2005 - User:Davenbelle - Unprotecting
    • Davenbelle arrived and declared me a POV pusher. I could not have made any edits in the article as, umm... it was locked.
    • User had no contribution in the article, and none of my suggestions or edits later to the article had any "POV"
  2. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 00:47, 27 March 2005 - User:Davenbelle - Unprotecting
    • Talks about Armenian Genocide and Nagorno-Karabakh article and me pushing pov under mediator-guise. Now, I made no edits to Nagorno-Karabakh aside from breaking it into 3 sections etc. I am not pushing pov at best I am cleaning the article up.
  3. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 20:12, 27 March 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Mediation
    • With my experience in mediation now, I would have walked away from this article since my mediation attempt was rejected. Realise if Davenbelles conviniant interference was not there I would have likely failed on my own for not leaving.
  4. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 21:50, 27 March 2005 - User:Davenbelle - Unprotecting
    • Suggetion withdrawn! Well now the interference worked and people are polarised against me BEFORE I even made an edit to the article.
  5. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 01:57, 28 March 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Mediation
    • I realise discussing anything with Adam Carr is difficult, and Davenbelle's interference dod not make matters any better.
    • Since I cannot mediate I can go ahead and improve the page. Right? After all I know something about both countries. I made my first suggestion regarding a pact signed in the 1954. I had no idea of such a pact and I still dont know.
  6. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 02:07, 28 March 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Usage of Greek words to refer to cities will ofend Turks and usage of Turkish words will offend Greeks...
    • Made another suggestion: naming of cities. Greeks tend to refer to cities now in Turkey by their Greek names while Turks refer to lots of Greek cities by their Ottoman name. A Greek domminance or Turkish domminance in the naming will generate confusion. There is no POV pushing here.
  7. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 04:09, 28 March 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Posible propoganda left over, no?
    • I made several suggestions.
      • Reformating something into a list form
      • Mentioning the S-300 crisis. A ship was caught carying S-300 missle laucnhers bought from Russia by Greece in Istanbul as missles have the range of hitting the capitol, or so said several news-papers.
        • This raised tensions between Greece and Turkey. No POV here. These missles are in crete as far as I remeber.
        • The Greek side isnt denying this... come on. What kind of a POV am I pushing accepted by both sides. Greece recieved a NATO warning for buying arms from russians as Russia wasnt exactly a "frend" yet.
      • "The Christian minorities, the Greeks and Armenians, saw their position in the Empire deteriorate".
        • Ethnic discussion regarding Turkey is a field with sides disputing each other.
        • I am inclined to have that reworded and sourced at that point.
        • I did NOT remove it from the article when the article was unlocked.
  8. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 05:39, 28 March 2005 - User:Davenbelle - '
    • More random complaining by Davenbelle basicaly asking me to leave the topic.
  9. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 22:50, 28 March 2005 - User:Cool Cat - S-300 Crisis
    • I explain to Kenney that the comon name of Istanbul is not Constantinopole, thats a greek Misconception Just like it is a Turkish misconception to suggest Selanik is the name of the Greek city Thessaloniki. Different people mention the cities differently so all referances cannot hurt. Right? Also see how CIA referances to the cities on the right.
    • I source the S-300 incident, at the time internet wasnt around, much.
    • I also point out my disapointment.
  10. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 04:29, 29 March 2005 - User:Davenbelle - Balkan Pact
    • Davenbelle removes colors from MY edits as well as all other colors and declares the article black and white. Now I do not know what his problem. He certainly so far had not discussed anything regarding Greece or Turkey and kept the topic locked with his interferrence.
  11. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 19:49, 31 March 2005 - User:Davenbelle - Cool Colours
    • I reverted him gladly keeping his last post, then posted a reply asking why is he not discussing the topic on the articles page he is editing/dictating. I also fixed the spelling (KewlKolors -> Cool Colours) of the section header.
  12. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 22:21, 31 March 2005 - User:Fadix - It should be clarified what happened to the pact: "1954 Greece, Turkey and Yugoslavia formed a new Balkan Pact"
    • Ah! Fadix arrives!
      • I have to admit, he is a lesse evil, at least he mentioned something related unlike Davenbelle. THough he is discussing WW2 on a section discussing a greek-turkish-yugoslavian pact. And rants on.
      • He is also discussing the contributor may I point out. His tone is less than civil.
  13. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 04:39, 1 April 2005 - User:Davenbelle - KewlKolours
    • Firstly realise he reverted my spelling correction of the header, making something corrected wrong. I would ask him the motive of his behavior.
    • Also realise he made minor, yet unnecesary edits to my post. Not that I am bugged, but this guy is complaining about me changing all referances to Coolcat to Cool Cat on the Proposed desicion talk page (discussed way later)
  14. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 17:48, 7 April 2005 - User:Davenbelle - responding to Cc's plea for a response
    • Interfereing on... Suggestts topic should stay locked. And still this far has not mentioned anything regarding Greko-Turkish Relations!
  15. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 02:59, 10 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Unprotecting
    • I ask questions to Davenbelle on what is he tring to achieve.
    • Also notice the mini revert war on the naming of "KewlKolors/Cool Colours" section
  16. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 03:43, 10 April 2005 - User:Davenbelle - '
    • It is indeed a monologue... But that still no discussion from him regarding anything regarding the topic.
  17. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 22:09, 10 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Posible propoganda left over, no?
    • I fix my nicks abriviation, I mentioned that I did not like it even back then, I think on his talk page, I dont quite remeber (nor care)
    • I still ask him what is he trying to do. Since all he did was discussing a contributor, me.
  18. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 05:13, 11 April 2005 - User:Davenbelle - syntax
    • Notice the restoration of the Cc abriviation as well as the KewlKolors obviously to no good purpose.
    • Suggestions... yah his suggestions benefited the article greatly. I Challenge anyone reading to provide me with the suggestions regarding article content.
  19. Talk:Greco-Turkish_relations: 04:12, 13 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - New
    • I post a news link regarding a hotline between Greece and Turkey easing millitary issues as aircraft occasionaly locked missles on eachother above the agean sea, few close encounters and one downing of a plane almost caused war.
    • I went ahead and applied my changes, and left the topic at this point.
    • I also archived the past discussion which no one bothered responding.
  • It is clear that Davenbelle did not discuss anything regarding the content of the article. His behavior was less than aproporate and I think is at the boundries of trolling, if not crossing.

[edit] Personal issues that goes beyond enforcing NPoV

[edit] Interference with my mediation attempt at Nanking massacre. Also a senseless revert war for image sizes

  1. Nanking_massacre: 07:01, 16 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat -
    • I felt the article wasnt quite neutral, introduced {{POV}}
    • My intentions was to mediate this. Since unlike Armenian Genocide I have no POV, I felt I could mediate this. I honestly was not expecting Stereotek to show up.
  2. Nanking_massacre: 08:58, 16 April 2005 - User:Stereotek - removed {{POV}} for reasons mentioned on talk page.
    • {{POV}} removed, no edits prior to me
    • Stereotek did not participate in ANY talk. Insead he ONLY reverted me. Note that he arrived to this article after me.
  3. Nanking_massacre: 16:39, 16 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Article does not agree with NPOV.
    • I reintroduce {{POV}}
  4. Nanking_massacre: 17:40, 16 April 2005 - User:Fadix - The tone of the article is not more POV than the average Wikipedia articles, it could be improved sure, but do not warrant the POV indication.
    • {{POV}} removed, no edits prior to me
  5. Nanking_massacre: 20:26, 16 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - There is a section titled "Japanese atrocities" clearly full of pov.
    • I reintroduce {{POV}}
  6. Nanking_massacre: 21:11, 16 April 2005 - User:Fadix - I neutralized some of it, now it is enought NPOV. Stop reverting
    • {{POV}} removed + modifications best defined as minor.
  7. Nanking_massacre: 21:15, 16 April 2005 - User:Fadix -
    • ass -> as (minor edit of typo)
  8. Nanking_massacre: 21:53, 17 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Article Japanese atrocities.
    • I reintroduce {{POV}}. Major edit. Good/bad questionable. several minor corrections as well such as spelling.
    • Technicaly a violation of 3rr on my side over a 7 byte change.
  9. Nanking_massacre: 01:20, 18 April 2005 - User:Stereotek - revert whitewash by Mr. Coolcat
    • {{POV}} removed along with everything I modified.
  10. At this point Stereotek reverted several annons, good/bad I am not inclined to discuss as I don't care his issues with others.
  11. Nanking_massacre: 19:45, 21 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Historiography
    • A rather disgusting edit (mostly) on my part.
  12. Nanking_massacre: 19:46, 21 April 2005 - User:JarlaxleArtemis - reverted shortening of article
  13. Nanking_massacre: 01:47, 22 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - I am not disputing the factuality, the way its presented is not wikipedia way.
    • I reintroduce {{POV}}
  14. Nanking_massacre: 02:10, 22 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Please do not revert this untill material is discussed. Material removed are propoganda. Please read the actual change, Thanks.
    • Not a brilliant edit, mostly disgusting.
  15. Nanking_massacre: 02:22, 22 April 2005 - User:Stereotek - rv. shortening of article
  16. Nanking_massacre: 02:24, 22 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Please read the actual change and talk before reveting things.
  17. Nanking_massacre: 03:02, 22 April 2005 - User:Stereotek - rv. shortening of article
  18. Nanking_massacre: 03:40, 22 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat -
    • I reintroduce {{POV}}
    • I wasn't aware of 3rr but I basicaly gave up on the idea of editing the article, I just walked away on my own. Realise Stereotek did NOT use talk.
  19. Up to this point there is a level of merit in them reverting me. I was being stupid back then, but I do believe their behavior wasn't "good" either. Two wrongs dont make one right.
  20. Nanking_massacre: 10:15, 22 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Revert with petty excuses is very bad practice of revert, all minor changes (spelling etc) should still be kept
    • Discouraged I go ahead and move 3 images around and resize them to standard Thumbnail size (180px) vs 280px
  21. Nanking_massacre: 10:22, 22 April 2005 - User:Stereotek - rv. no reason to make pictures smaller
  22. Nanking_massacre: 10:30, 22 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - You revert too easily, see article talk. Pay atention or do not revert. Also see holocaust article and the size of the pictures there. The reasons are clearly explained.
    • I do not think "read talk" is too much to ask... He didn't or why didnt he respond?
  23. Nanking_massacre: 10:35, 22 April 2005 - User:Stereotek - added image
  24. Nanking_massacre: 10:41, 22 April 2005 - User:Stereotek - rv. this article is not about the Holocaust. (we know you deny that). There is no reason why the images should be smaller
  25. Nanking_massacre: 10:43, 22 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Reformated and properly resized image. Please read about how full sized pictures are placed in articles. If you are not sure how things are done in wikipedia start reading.
  26. Nanking_massacre: 10:54, 22 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Japanese atrocities - Checked archive, its been agreed to remove this image due to reasons explained in archive.
  27. Nanking_massacre: 11:19, 22 April 2005 - User:Davenbelle - revert to last version by Stereotek; restore images
    • Disregarding archived discussion
    • No edits prior.
    • User_talk:RickK: 14:25, 18 January 2005 - User:Davenbelle - Ollieplatt's new Troll:Ollieplatt page
      • Back in january he was complaining about "disturbing images" to RickK then in april he is increasing the sizes of disturbing images and reintroducing one of them.
  28. Nanking_massacre: 00:58, 23 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Stop being silly, do you have some sort of sick wet dream to stare at a dead naked woman? Or do you enjoy staring at dead chineese? Not everyone likes to see the pictures, but people can read.
    • Not thge best edit summary, I wouldn't count it as a personal attack, its not polite either. Though having a 3 on one "gang-bang" will irritate anyone.
  29. Nanking_massacre: 01:44, 23 April 2005 - User:Davenbelle -
    • Revert without even an edit summary.
  30. Nanking_massacre: 01:50, 23 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - revert based on concensus.
  31. Nanking_massacre: 02:11, 23 April 2005 - User:Viriditas - Reverted edits by Coolcat to last version by Davenbelle
    • I do not know who Viriditas is or if he had edits prior.
  32. Nanking_massacre: 02:26, 23 April 2005 - User:Davenbelle - The incident is considered as the most infamous event in the Japanese invasion of China.
    • Minor edit, user added "incident is considered as the most infamous event in the Japanese invasion of China." to the article.
  33. Nanking_massacre: 02:32, 23 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Please read talk and archive or keep reverting, this revert is based on concensus.
    • I revert Viriditas's revert while KEEPING Davenbelle's edit.
  34. Nanking_massacre: 02:34, 23 April 2005 - User:Silsor - {{protected}}
    • Silsor locks topic
    • Silsor blocked me for violating 3rr (as clearly visible I violated 6rr I belive). He explained me the 3rr procedure.
    • Silsor also blocked Stereotek
  35. At this point I left this article. I believe this would make a good candidate to be one of the lamest revert war ever.


  • I have never been to China or Japan. I know nothing regarding the topic. In fact I found this by using the random button to find a controversial article. You learn to walk by falling so I had high hopes of developing mediation skills.
  • I will give a range rather than individual conversations. You can see them discussing me, how much of a "POV-pusher" I am etc. rather than the article clearly. 
User:Coolcat has no official role as a mediator; this is merely a self-applied label. He has previously attempted to
cast himself in the role of 'mediator' on Talk:Armenian Genocide, Talk:Nagorno-Karabakh and
Talk:Greco-Turkish relations, where he has met considerable resistance. He loves to use coloured text on talk
pages and quote highly unique interpretations of Wikipedia policies, especially NPOV. Anyone is free to reject his
self-styled 'mediation' and any advice he offers. He has been known to engage in personal attacks and edit other users
talk page postings. — Davenbelle 09:00, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

  You have no official status either. I am trying to help, you are not. --Cool Cat My Talk 09:17, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

    "Official status" is such an Anti-wiki philosophy. I am a user, period. 
    I am, however, most certainly here to help. — Davenbelle 09:37, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
  • I think Davenbelle is conflicting self. There is absolutely no reason for his involvement. I find it absurd.


==Koizumi==
"In the past Japan through its colonial rule and aggression caused tremendous damage and suffering
for the people of many countries, particularly those of Asian nations." Koizumi.

  Can you please elaborate? --Cool Cat My Talk 08:48, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC) 

    do you even know who Koizumi is. --AussieSoldier 09:01, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC) 

      No I dont, can you please elaborate? --Cool Cat My Talk 09:16, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC) 

        ROTFLMAO! — Davenbelle 09:22, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC) 

          Davenbelle, it sounds like your purpose there is to annoy or insult Coolcat. Do you think you could show
          a little more Wikipedia:WikiLove? silsor 09:46, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
  • I did NOT know anything about Nanking massacre, I still don't know much as I do NOT care. I was not there to wreck wikipedia and the revert war on image size was lame. Davenbelle's and Fadix's degraded conversation in article talk was less than civil if not un-civil.

[edit] Interference with my mediation attempt at Javier Solana

Talk page before Davenbelle arrived [3]

  1. Talk:Javier_Solana: 13:26, 27 April 2005 - User:Davenbelle - revert massive refactor of talk page by User:Coolcat; [4]
    • In the process he removed a number of comments and later reintroduced them back.
  2. Talk:Javier_Solana: 13:42, 27 April 2005 - User:Davenbelle - Unacceptable refactoring of talk
    • Interferes with my effort to settle the dispute. Do realise that no one in the article talk page is complaining aside from him.
    • Also he wasnt a part of this disscussion prior to my arivle. There is no sane link between massacres, kurds, armenians, or turks and Javier Solana since I have no idea who Javier Solana is, all I was trying to do is get people discuss things.
  3. Talk:Javier_Solana: 07:11, 28 April 2005 - User:Cool Cat - I realy do not enjoy recategorising everything. Davenbelle do not edit the = =, they are the way they are and thats how I want them, you are the only person having problems with them,
    • So I revert davanbelle and his interference and get on with my mediation effort
  4. Talk:Javier_Solana: 13:10, 28 April 2005 - User:Davenbelle - removed User:Coolcat's first-level headings again per [5] adjusted the section levels
    • Realise by doing so he is destroying the artificial line between old degraded discussion and new one.
    • Pay special care to two of his comments:
User:Coolcat has repeatedly adjusted the section levels of this talk page (and others) so that sections
posted by him are first-level headings which makes the posts of other users (who use the default second-level)
subordinate to his 'mediation' impertinence. This refactoring of talk pages should be especially unwelcome here
as I see no indication from other participants on this talk page that he has been accepted as any sort of mediator.
(If anyone 'requested' his mediation, I'd be interested in seeing where.) I, for one, do not accept that he has any
right to dictate the format of the discussion here. In his edit he asserts that he's using first-level section
levels because 'thats how I want them'; this is not a valid reason. If he has a reason other than manipulation of
the hierarchy of posts in the table of contents of this page in order to imply a structure of his choosing and an
authority he merely presumes, he is welcome to post it. — Davenbelle 18:10, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

This talk format has been pushed at pages such as Talk:Nanjing Massacre, Talk:Armenian Genocide, Talk:Nagorno-Karabakh and
Talk:Greco-Turkish relations, and has been rejected by all participants on those pages. — Davenbelle 18:10, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • The behaviour is unnaceptable. There were no arbcom rulings to prohibit me from mediating. And even if there were one I feel it would be inaproporate for someone to just bug in and say "This guy is a horible mediator". I am not claimining to be a great mediator but it is depressing to have someone that interferes with every mediation effort you attempt. Also one would be hard pressed to even relate this article to articles Talk:Nanjing Massacre, Talk:Armenian Genocide, Talk:Nagorno-Karabakh and Talk:Greco-Turkish relations

[edit] Odd behaviour, instead of talking to me talks people to talk to me

  1. User_talk:Xiong: 15:16, 4 May 2005 - User:Davenbelle - transclusion
    • User complains about Ranks and insignia of NATO (later broken apart to sub pages)
    • I "abuse" wikipedia templates. User did not voice an opinion in articles talk page or in my talk page or in any talk page aside from a 3rd parties.
    • Why is he opposing me this time I STILL do not know.
    • There are many templates yes. This article compares NATO rank insignias. Same template is used in US Army UK army and Turkish Army pages. I intend to make more comparisons and list all world rank insignias.
    • Hellenic or Greek army page also started using the insignia template.
    • Now on the long run I can call a templates to compare lets say balkan countries, or EU armies. I also can write about Canadian Amry and include their rank insignia with little effort.
    • Recently the rank isignia of a US Warant officer changed. Changing one image in one template fixed the problem on ALL pages template appears. Hence I feel templates are good.
    • Inarguably Davenbelle was at the boudary of trolling and perhaps crossing. He made people discuss things without getting even getting involved prior.
  2. Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Davenbelle_and_Stereotek: 21:37, 1 July 2005 - User:Ta bu shi da yu - Outside view
    • Ta bu shi da yu also finds this behavior odd as well: Surely good faith editing would mean that you discuss the issue with one of the creators of the template?

[edit] Antiwar.com and its deletion

  1. Antiwar.com: 05:11, 16 June 2005 - User:Cool Cat -
  2. Antiwar.com: 05:46, 16 June 2005 - User:Stereotek - remove speedy deletion tag
    • Stereotek removed the notice "coincidentaly" after only 35 minutes.
  3. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2005_June_16: 07:39, 16 June 2005 - User:Cool Cat -
    • So I marked the page (that is still a stub and should be an external link rather than an article whenever necesary)
  4. Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Antiwar.com: 07:40, 16 June 2005 - User:Davenbelle - keep
    • Opposed the minute (1 minute 15 secs to be exact as I monitor wikipedia from IRC)
    • Notice that its Stereotek removing the speedy tag.
  5. Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Antiwar.com: 08:52, 16 June 2005 - User:Stereotek -
    • And Stereotek ofcourse opposes.
  6. Granted people can suggest whatever the wish I am not criticizing that remotely. But the fact that they are so efficient in opposing any and every suggestion or edit I can this easily and fast bothers me.
    • Users do not vote on Templates for deletaion or VfD regularly if at all.
  • On many other instances such as deletation/move of Template:CVIP and Template:RWIP they were also in the opposing corner conveniently.
  • A foot note, I am a pasifist, I feel wars are "bad" and people should get along. I was NOT pushing pov. This article is still a stub and I feel it is unencyclopedic... Antiwar com alone is nothing, what matters is people who write on Anriwar.com who have individual articles. This should be an external link. on each of those pages.

[edit] Abortion revert war

  1. Abortion: 15:52, 16 June 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Health risks - Death to some categories.
    • Article is controversial yes, my edits were not. My edits (bear in mind I have two blocks of edits and some changes were not my doing)
  2. Abortion: 00:15, 17 June 2005 - User:Tznkai - removed stub or poorly written articles.
    • All edits from my last edit till just before Stereotek's first edit (mostly links being removed/added)
  3. Abortion: 01:15, 17 June 2005 - User:Stereotek - Debate on abortion -Restore headlines to improve layout+make navigation on the TOC more easy + minor cleanup
    • User had no edit prior to mine.
  4. Abortion: 01:15, 17 June 2005 - User:Stereotek - Debate on abortion -Restore headlines to improve layout+make navigation on the TOC more easy + minor cleanup
    • From my first edit till the end of Stereotek's first block
    • Granted not every thing I did is gone, but the majority is. Realise the change ended up being mostly trivial.
    • Aside from the links (which was not my doing) almost all of my edits are gone. I was doing cleanup duty.
    • Additionaly do notice the annon raging havoc on the page. Making identical edits just like a previously blocked annon. I was reverting this annon too and seteriotek's interference was making it very difficult.
    • Bear in mind that he used no Talk:. I was talking to User:Tznkai on IRC. In fact he invited me to clean the article and I actualy told him that there is a risk of spesific people who havent even edit the article once to show up. But he told me to edit anyway. 
I'm not sure where the best place to put this is, but here it goes. I did infact
invite coolcat via IRC to help clean up the abortion article, and I think he did
a good job of it in some places, and I disagree with others. In the time I worked
with him, he made his edits in good faith. While he may have been incorrect in
doing somethings, he did his best to do what I asked him: improve the article.
--Tznkai 7 July 2005 17:03 (UTC)

[edit] PKK revert wars

I am yet to develop this evidence in a more legable and acceptable form. Feel free to ignore this chink for a while.

  • Kurdistan Workers Party (the "debate" goes forever)
    • Users just abusively revert. No discussion no talk.
    • POV delete or is it? PKK's drug ties is well known. So says the Turkish government and so confirms the US government. Bear in mind user posted nothing to talk. just do a Google search with this string: pkk drug site:.gov Google search. That's a ridiculously simple search. Users however ignore common knowledge, stick to their "Governments have been known to lie... [6]" ideology...
      • [7] rv to last NPoV version by Bobblewik
        • Do note the removal of "The structure and height of this mountainous region in south eastern Turkey makes it very difficult for helicopters and other aircraft to maneuver, making it difficult for government troops to respond in a timely fashion to any ambush". I do not see the POV in that. If someone explains me the POV I'll be quite relieved.
      • Example of double standard. Bear in mind that restore of "removed material" removed about 5182 bytes of data. (assume bad faith and discard the work of others out of hand) [8] revert; don't discard the work of others out of hand
      • Users NPoVise articles by subsidizing: [9]
    • I am the kind of a guy who reads Jane's Defense News. I know what I am talking about. Me listing PKK's activities without any comments should be NPoV or No Point of View. Suicide bombings did happen. After explosions PKK has claimed responsibility. In sum no one is dening this, asside from my counterparts.
      • I invited FrancisTylers and Kmmcoy to this article via IRC. FrancisTylers (if my assesment is acurate) has the Pro PKK view, he can be irritating at times but I believe I am irritating him as much as he is irritating me, that's how a POV discussion goes. Kmmcoy is not knowledgeable and was there for peer review, which is fine.
    • Article is still on going discussion, however Davenbelle and Stereotek are no longer interfering since Kmmcoys edits.

[edit] Isolated incidents

  1. User_talk:RickK: 10:45, 21 June 2005 - User:Cool Cat -
    • I am saddened to see you leave. I never noticed you before as you are too fast of an anti vandal person. I sincerely encourage you to come back. I hope this is a temprorary wiki-vacation. I agree with your analogy though. Vandals, trolls and malactors are given increasing respect and thats something that scares away "good" users. --Cool Cat My Talk 15:39, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  2. User_talk:RickK: 21:44, 21 June 2005 - User:Davenbelle - come on back
    • Come on back! "Users" like Mr. Cool Cat need opponents! Davenbelle 02:44, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
  3. User_talk:RickK: 03:55, 26 June 2005 - User:Davenbelle - Cc quits often, but not for long
    • Mr. Cool Cat has quit for a few days a number of times; see his contributions. — Davenbelle 08:55, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

Someone explain the reason for this odd behavior by Davenbelle, please!

[edit] Evidence of houding since the start of arbcom case (13:14, 24 July 2005 (UTC))

[edit] Hounding?

What links here
# Coolcat # Opposition
1. Coolcat 1. Fadix
2. Cool Cat 2. Davenbelle
3. Stereotek
4. Karl Meier
  • Consider the topics 3(4) users are involved esspecialy "Stereotek" and "Fadix". You will see an obsession with maters related to Kurds, Turks, Armenians as well.
    • Users as I see it have POV on the matters they claim are "NPoVizing".
    • If I am going to be punished for my idiocity on my first 1000-2000 edits, I do not see why similar restrictions should not apply to them. I am at 10,000 edits now and I have grown way beyond that nonsense I was doing Fred pointed out. Never the less I think people trolling and stalking me should also be treated as the same.
      • Fadix was "pushing POV" on Armenian Genocide to the extent of reverting spelling corrections. You can refer to User:Tony Sideaway who was forced to lock the topic after the incident of Fadix reverting spelling corrections.
      • Karl Meier was insisting uncited statistics on Kurdish people (mentioned later). On IRC discussions regarding the incident (I was not working alone) a good portion of Admins and Users alike said uncited statistics are bad. A god portion did not want to get involved on the basis of they do not get involved with anything contraversial.
      • Davenbelle's involvement on Southeastern Anatolia Project was not related to anything but me making an edit on it. Do realise all he did was reverting and did not had any previous contribution to the article. (discussed later as well)
  • Users are reluctant to revert war with me. Generly they revert until I give up or someone interferes.
    • Users do not try to edit the page in a way that I may find acceptable. By this I mean they dont ever edit the page and instead they revert till I come up with something they feel is accpetable, though on many occasions that doesnt even happen.
    • Also check out the recent revert war on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek subpages. (see below)


[edit] A revert war on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek sub pages and beyond

I got my username changed and am fixing double redirects. I used to be user:Coolcat now User:Cool Cat (a rather cosmetic change)

  • So I coppied the code of several pages to note pad and replaced all instances of Coolcat with Cool Cat. Hee is the edit storm and thinders exchanged:
    1. Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek/Workshop:
    2. Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek/Proposed decision:
    3. Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek/Evidence/Davenbelle's Evidence re Coolcat:
    4. Wikipedia:AMA Requests for Assistance:
  • Analysis and thoughts
    • It is clear my attepts to fix the double redirects generated a few problems.
    • It is clear Davenbelle reverted me instead of fixing the problems. The revert generates more problems (redirects - a drag to wikipedia) than fixing.
    • It is clear that my edits were minor in nature. If it were treated as such a revert war would have been evaded (like many other instances such as image sizes location of sections in articles).
    • It is clear that I fixed some of the problems (all I can see) generated by my atempt to fix redirects. Davenbelle only made my life difficult with his revert warring. He could have fixed the instances of 2-5 URLS getting broken by adding one single char.

[edit] A revert war on Kurdish people demographics satatistics

Consider the past 500 editds of Kurdish people: Kurdish people Article History

  1. Kurdish_people: 12:16, 9 September 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Demographics
    • Starting on sep 9th see the recent edit of mine on what it did is comment out the table with info from May that is still not sourced...
    • Any data presented on wikipedia will require citation from a notable source, a blog for example is not an acceptable source but I do not even have that. As far as I care someone was bored and generated random numbers. Wikipedia is not a soapbox for people to randomly generate numbers.
  2. Kurdish_people: 14:36, 9 September 2005 - User:Karl Meier - restored Coolcats PoV deletion of information + added a source for the last statement
    • I really love the irony. He is not only pushing pov but also orriginal research. As I explained earlier uncited demographics are not encyclopedic. Wikipedia is not a SOAPBOX.
    • Another important point is since his last Stereotek post karl did NOT make a single edit to this article. His edit storm started right after mine. I refuse to believe that this is a mere coincidence.
  3. Kurdish_people: 17:10, 9 September 2005 - User:Karl Meier - restore more reasonable figures from before 84.60.41.96's edits
    • Moving along... immidiately arises the concept of who determines which is a reasonable body count? Granted I agree with him personaly, that was an insane increase in numbers (though either number was not cited)
  4. Kurdish_people: 04:00, 10 September 2005 - User:Karl Meier - Demographics - added references
    • Moving really along... While not apologising for wasting my time earlier, Karl Meier is actualy contributing at this point for my delight. by User:Karl Meier
    • Do realise that when sources are cited the inflated numbers change dramaticaly. Millions of kurds vanished (as they never existed). A good example why statistics require citation
  5. Kurdish_people: 22:36, 10 September 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Demographics - thats more like it, watch statistics go down ridiclously with citation. It is still inflated IMHO but at least its cited, lets fix that table now
    • by User:Cool Cat, I modifed the table to make it beultiful. Using my Oh My Goddess! theme, I personaly think this edit was for the better. In the process I noticed two sections: one being "other regions in europe" and second being "a list of countries". This was not cited so I commented it out (just like the earlier deal).
  6. Kurdish_people: 04:04, 11 September 2005 - User:Karl Meier - No Coolcat, you are not going to comment out these figures, and lower the total figure. That is pure PoV pushing.I suggest YOU for a change find some specific sources or wait for others to do so.
    • I really love the irony. Based on the edit summary (and content) User is accusing me of "Pov Pushing" for commenting out demographic statistics that isn't cited "anywhere" on the page. With that logic anyone can genrate numbers and people should never removed them untill they are cited? WTF?
    • This is indeed pov pushing by Karl Meier. Since I am asking for sources. He is insisting that I should find the sources. I am not inclined to leave unverifiable info on wikipedia.
    • I'll like to add that CIA factbook statistics on kurds can also be disputed since CIA agents did not count the kurds it is perhaps a guess-timate.
  7. Kurdish_people: 04:21, 11 September 2005 - User:Karl Meier - Demographics - thats more like it, watch statistics go down ridiclously with citation. It is still inflated IMHO but at least its cited, lets fix that table now
    • He adjust figures and reintroduces the uncited nonsense. At this point my frustration started reaching its limits. Not only am I beeing harassed, but also am living through a revert war, for what? Uncited statistics.
  8. Kurdish_people: 04:28, 11 September 2005 - User:Cool Cat - refusing to cite sources is pov pushing. I am completely removing that uncited nonsese.
    • I revert the nonsense away in a solid red colour
    • Realise that the Asia totals are screwed up, I realise this later and fix it.
  9. Kurdish_people: 04:44, 11 September 2005 - User:Karl Meier - rv Coolcat's PoV editing. See talk
    • Totals I fixed (by applying math on listed numbers) are screwed up again. Nonsense is reintroduced. It is UNCITED statistics.
    • I don't find the statistics that there are over 2 million kurds in europe realistic. I see this as an inflated number. So I go ahead and google.
  10. Kurdish_people: 05:26, 11 September 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Demographics - fine Ill do the citing.
    • So it is up to me to "FIND" a source since Karl is going to continue his unreasonable nonsense so I google for demographics
    • I find this site, nationmaster.com, that has every country! Cool!
    • note that I am still quite angry for googleing something thats not cited on wikipedia (as if I have to instead of removing it).
    • Later I am informed by Khaosworks that this is an outdated wiki mirror. (sigh)
  • I later (about a day) removed the uncited sections and recalculated totals based on cited material (over a number of edits)
  1. Kurdish_people: 13:11, 12 September 2005 - User:Karl Meier - If you think that the figures are inaccurate, please provide more reliable figures. Your version that claim that there is ZERO kurds in these countries doesn't make sense.
    • Reverted with complete disregard to everything done.
    • Insists on uncited info. I keep my standing, if not cited does not exist.
    • I find it hard to swallow a comunity making up several millions stay uncited yet exist.
  2. Kurdish_people: 13:47, 12 September 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Reverting to last version by User:Cool Cat, Uncited statistics be gone, keeping findland change, recalculating totals in the light of finland data.
    • I gladly revert him and keep his "good" contribution regarding findland demographics
  3. Kurdish_people: 13:54, 12 September 2005 - User:Karl Meier - rv: Please respond on talk for a change. There is questions for you there.
    • I am walking from this revert war. I am asking arbitrators to react to this nonsense.
    • Actaly I did revert it back. After the post on 3rr karl did not revert me back
    • I got blocked 6 hrs for violating the 3rr

[edit] A mini-revert war on Southeastern Anatolia Project moving info around the article (actual change is 22 bytes)

  1. Southeastern_Anatolia_Project: 17:13, 12 September 2005 - User:Cool Cat -
    • I Introduced an image showing regions and moved the "conspiracy" that the Southeastern Anatolia Project was infact a plot to "destroy kurdish history". To a section called "conspiracy". The cited source is less than neutral anyways. Never the less it is cited and can exist in an article. As ridiclous as it is we get to keep all sorts of nonsense from time to time such as WTC demolished by UFOs (ya right). So I simply moved.
    • Karl had NO edits prior
  2. Southeastern_Anatolia_Project: 18:03, 12 September 2005 - User:Karl Meier - No! You are not going to move this to a section called "conspiracy"
    • I do not know what his problem is. Didn't I just do exactly that?
  3. Southeastern_Anatolia_Project: 18:06, 12 September 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Revert to last version by User:Cool Cat, well it is a conspiracy theory, and yes I have moved it.
    • If the report was from a neutral source, such as UN, I would have a lesser problem with this. The only cited sources are campaigning against GAP.
  4. Southeastern_Anatolia_Project: 05:00, 13 September 2005 - User:Davenbelle - absurd, this is *not* a conspiracy theory; reverted + copyedit
    con·spir·a·cy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-spîr-s)
    n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
    1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
    2. A group of conspirators.
    3. Law. An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
    4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.
    • Even if that nonsense was factual it would STILL be a conspiracy. I am clarifying my POV. here and also am clarifying what I am doing, if it werent cited one would be hard pressed to keep these allogations.
  5. Southeastern_Anatolia_Project: 05:22, 13 September 2005 - User:Cool Cat - at least dont revert war me for this while the article is on a FAC drive. Read the dictionary definition of "conspiracy".
    • I revert back keeping the copy edits.

[edit] Trobble at Yggdrasil!

THIS SHOULD NOT BE INTERPETED AS EVIDENCE AGAINST KARL. On the countrary this proves he is improving and hence while I feel he should be told not to stalk, he shouldn't be levied harsh restrictions. On a second thought, I think he screwed up hounding me... --Cool Cat Talk 11:05, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

  1. Yggdrasil: 02:31, 13 September 2005 - User:Cool Cat - Popular culture - falls under "other uses" moving to disambig page
    • Moving non norse stuff to disambig page.
  2. Yggdrasil: 02:39, 13 September 2005 - User:Karl Meier - No, you are not going to delete the "Popular culture" section. Don't disrupt Wikipedia just to make a point.
    • User thought I was blanking page, in reality I was moving stuff to diambig page where it belongs. A genuine misunderstanding. Probably because of his lack of trust in me which I am yet to win.
  3. Yggdrasil_(disambiguation): 02:43, 13 September 2005 - User:Cool Cat - moving contents from Yggdrasil, wiki SLOW!
    • Finaly the damn wikimedia software accepts the save.
  4. Yggdrasil: 02:49, 13 September 2005 - User:Dbachmann - see talk
    • Dbachmann reverts Karl
    • I notice a "Talk" message. About now. I was very busy reorganising Yggdrasil (disambiguation) see page if you want to know why it was difficult ;)
  5. User_talk:Cool_Cat: 03:14, 13 September 2005 - User:Karl Meier - Yggdrasil
    • A first in my relations between my disputed parties. They apologised from me when wrong (although it was an innocent mistake as far as I and Arbcom should care)
    • I have to admit this was a shock for me, I may get along with Karl, given some help. However his behavior on Kurdish people (keeping uncited statistics) as well as Southeastern Anatolia Project (moving conspiracy away from section) is in my view unnaceptable.
    • On the other hand Davenbelle shows no maturity and appeas to be obsessed with me. See Southeastern Anatolia Project section above for almost live feed of his rever warin. --Cool Cat Talk 11:18, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Votes that I was involved and they got involved after

Some material here is mentioned earlier on. This is a collection of votes they were a part of after me.

  1. Page move of Kemal Atatürk -> Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
  2. Page move of Valkyrie -> Valkyrie (Norse mythology)
  3. Wikipedia:Changing_username: 01:19, 2 September 2005 - User:Davenbelle - Current requests
    • A bad name for a bot; see: WarGames — Davenbelle 06:19, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
      • I requested that I aquire User:Joshua. (for a bot adjusting WP:DEFCON)
      • Also notice he has not opposed anything else ever regarding Username changes. Or ever commented for that mater and probably was unaware of its existance.
  4. Wikipedia:Non-main_namespace_pages_for_deletion/Wikipedia:WikiDefcon: 02:32, 31 August 2005 - User:Davenbelle - Delete as vandal magnet
    • Delete as vandal magnet; agree with Kelly: WP:BEANS.
      • Had not participated in any other non name space deletation votes
  5. Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_July_29: 00:47, 30 July 2005 - User:Davenbelle - July 30
  6. Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Coolcat
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