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[edit] Evidence presented by 195.82.106.244

[edit] See request on talk page

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Place argument and diffs which support the second assertion; for example, your second assertion might be "So-and-so makes personal attacks", which should be the title of this section. Here you would show specific edits where So-and-so made personal attacks.

[edit] Evidence presented by Andries (talk • contribs)

[edit] Repeated removal of well-sourced information by User:Riveros11/avyakt7 without good explanation

I had inserted information from the following source

  • Lochtefeld, James G. Ph.D. The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Hinduism Vol. I ISBN 0-8239-3179-X, entry "Brahma Kumaris" New York Rosen 2002

User:Riveros11/avyakt7 removed information from this source with the motivations "undiscussed" 01:23, 11 December 2006 16:07, 11 December 2006 and "no concensus".14:36, 12 December 2006 and again 15:58, 13 December 2006 He or she did not comment on the quality of my edits or the source in talk page. Andries 19:29, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The changes that I made were non-substantial. I never made the alleged agrement to discuss changes first before making them. This alleged agreement by the way contradicts generally accepted Wikipedia practices. My changes continued to be reverted after they were discussed. Andries 06:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Evidence presented by riveros11 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Evidence of sockpuppet accounts by user 195.82.106.244

Dear Sir/Madam, There are 2 points which I would like to bring to your attention:
1) User 195.82.106.244 has been using different sockpuppets accounts and modifying in greater extent archives, posts and editions of the Brahma Kumaris article (BK) User Thatcher131 acting as clerk mentioned:""None found. The BKWS and ex-BK members could be coordinating their efforts but they are not traditional sockpuppets." I would like to offer proof of the contrary. There is a sockpuppet activity with the following accounts: 195.82.106.244, brahmakumaris.info, bkwatch and the IP 212.18.228.53. This shows that user 195.82.106.244 has been behaving in a dishonest fashion just to fulfill his own objective which is to defame Brahma Kumaris by abusing the visibility of Wikipedia and the power of the internet.
2) Due to this user animosity towards Brahma Kumaris, his editions have been bias and his interpretation of Brahma Kumaris literature and Wikipedia provisions have been likewise strongly biased. User 195.82.106.244 is the main user /owner of the antagonistic website: http://www.brahmakumaris.info Please note that even the domain name was taken by him from Brahma Kumaris as soon as it expired to gain greater visibility and to add confusion.[2] and [3] This user has denied all along his membership in this site.However, He is the main editor and this in itself proves that his editions will naturally be strongly biased.
User 195.82.106.244 version of the article has damaged the visibility of the institution which I belong to.
I see this article content as being the main problem. User 195.82.106.244 originated this article. However, being the aim of Wikipedia to inform in a neutral fashion, I believe you may find that the article in reference was not written with this important premise in mind at the beginning of it. User 195.82.106.244 is an ex-member of Brahma Kumaris. The problem then is that user 195.82.106.244 and user Talkabout (another ex member) were the "sole proprietors" of the Brahma Kumaris page for a long time (until October 2006)[4] There is one other IP which comes from England and belongs to an EX-BK supporter. Perhaps, this diff [5] could be a good starting point. Note the IP address: 212.18.228.53 It reverses to: host-212-18-228-53.static.mailbox.co.uk If a reverse lookup is performed on 195.82.106.244 it results in: host-195-82-106-244.dynamic.mailbox.co.uk. In other words, both IPs are coming from the same service provider.
The following diff will show the relationship between user 195.82.106.244 and sockpuppet brahmakumaris.info [6]


User 195.82.106.244 has denied his affiliation with the site brahmakumaris.info.
Here is some supportive evidence of his undeniable affiliation to this site: User 195.82.106.244 mentioned: "I have absolutely no representative powers over any other contributor nor the website http://brahmakumaris.info..." [7] Please note that user TalkAbout has been working closely with user 195.82.106.244.

  • 1) wiki administration of site and installation[8], [9]
  • 2) talk page and history of brahmakumaris.info which shows the relationship between the account brahmakumaris.info and the site www.brahmakumaris.info [10]
  • 3) user 195.82.106.244 is a very heavy editor of brahmakumaris.info site. [11] search on his IP address in this site for contributions: [12] however, he has denied "a team effort."
  • 4) bkwsuwatch IP address: 195.82.106.244 Note the content of article [13]and his IP 195.82.106.244 endorsing brahmakumaris.info site.
  • 5) installation of wiki software:[14]
  • 6) bkwatch account endorsing site brahmakumaris.info [15]
  • 7) user 195.82.106.244 own IP address being directed to www.brahmakumaris.info. His IP was an FTP site offering Brahma Kumaris materials for download[16],[17], [18], [19], [20]

and here a copy of user 195.82.106.244 own words:"Thank you for the best advertizement that we have been given in a long time, Luis. Would any individuals interested in reading BK Raja Yoga teachings in their original form called the Murlis, please log in anonymously and download them from the address given above before the BKWSU tries to shut the server down. I expect our traffic to increase significantly. 195.82.106.244 00:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC" Please take a look at this link:[21] and this [22] this is a strong proof of user 195.82.106.244 sockpuppet with brahmakumaris.info and bkwsuwatch. Finally, [23] you will see the comments below the video in Spanish. Take a look at "bkwsuwatch" (bkwatch) endorsing brahmakumaris.info site.

As you can see there is proof of his sockpuppet accounts. Finally, his interpretation of any type of materials will be according to his animosity towards Brahma Kumaris. He would like to use Brahma Kumaris materials even though they are not considered primary source. User 195.82.106.244 does not belong to Brahma Kumaris thus he uses these articles to tarnish our notability, to support a contentious atmosphere with Brahma Kumaris members, and he is far from "serving" our own purposes (BK) but rather defaming us.
I would like to request that user 195.82.106.244 inmediately terminates his campaign of defamation of Brahma Kumaris in Wikipedia. This user has done enough damage as it is and the only repercussion to his actions so far was just a "block" for a few days.
I am more than willing to discuss any reliable source that this user could provide; however he usually paraphrases authors and never presents the article copy (As I have done by suppling a pdf file) for others to read.
It is very hard to rely/trust on him based on his past activities.

Best Wishes, avyakt7 02:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Defamation, deletions and threats by user 195.82.106.244

I will present some diffs of user 195.82.106.244 character and past deeds:

  • Exposing my name and former employee and threatening me to contact them. [24]
  • Taunting [25]
  • Defaming Brahma Kumaris [26] without presenting evidence.
  • Defaming me [27]
  • Removing NPOV tag without previous discussion [28]
  • Using brahmakumaris.info sockpuppet account to disable the "sprotect tag" to be able to post again with his IP address.[29]
  • "Forest fire" with brahmakumaris.info account [30],[31],[32], [33],[34], [35], [36], [37] please note the different headers he used for the articles; however all of them are related to Brahma Kumaris.
  • personal attack to me [38] someone answered [39] User 195.82.106.244 deleted the post [40]
  • mistreating user:[41]in other wikipages.
  • This one is a recent one modifiying text to defame Brahma Kumaris [42]

Best, avyakt7 02:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence presented by Sethie (talk • contribs)

[edit] Andries "Evidence"

Andries claims that Riveros has engaged in "Repeated removal of well-sourced information without good explanation."

What Andries failed to report is that on the talk page, we reached consensus to make no substantial changes to the page without disucssing first- and at least the changes Andries made (which were reverted) were not disucssed first.

Anyone who reverts for that reason is following the ONE thing the page has been able to agree on. Sethie 04:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Andires calls the agreement "an alledgeded" meaning in his mind he isn't even sure that it exists or not. For Andries, or anyone else, who is unsure whether this agreement exists or not, I invite them to read the tag at the top of the talk page, and the disuccsion here [[43]]

Andries says the "alledged" agreement goes against Wikipedia policy- yet why is he saying this in the evidence section against Riveros? Did Riveros create the agreement? No, I tallied a vote and I put it in place. Sethie 16:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like to acknowledge that there is one component of Andries testiomny which is accurate and not skewed- Riveros did not engage in the dialogue after the reverts, which I concur with Andries shows poorly against him. Sethie 18:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence presented by Searchin man (talk • contribs)

[edit] Record of User 195.82.106.244’s opinion on BK authored materials as reliable sources.

My own involvement in the article’s discussion page was initiated partly in reaction to the response user bkSimonb encountered when he questioned the accuracy of a small section, citing a BK publication as the source of his proposed revision [44].

Given the degree of contempt user 195.82.106.244 and his sock puppet user Brahmakumaris.info subsequently displayed for a BK authored source [45], [46], I would urge the sole use of well researched secondary sources in the development of the article.

Should this be agreed, I would also ask for 244 to be strongly encouraged to respect the controversial tag consensus[47], rather than carrying on regardless with his ‘bold’ editing policy. [48]

searchin man 23:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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