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Contents 1 History 2 Internal politics 3 Texans 4 Map 5 Boundries 6 Short-lived states category 7 Inconsistencies between articles. 8 Delisted GA 9 Recognition of Texas as an independent country 10 Memucan Hunt

[edit] History

Later: I looked at the history and reverted out the 1861 section. --Henry Troup 15:31, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

The section on 1861 secession probably doesn't belong to this article, and is rather strong POV. --Henry Troup 13:56, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Shouldn't we break out a separate Texas Revolution page? --Ben Brumfield

2002-01-10: Added a paragraph of background, including link to new T.R. Page. --Ben Brumfield

[edit] Internal politics

Just added a section on internal politics. My sources for it were of varying reliability, and are as follows:

• Political factions -- 7th grade history (taken in 1986)
• List of presidents -- Museum at Washington-on-the-Brazos
• Diplomatic recognition of Texas -- The French Legation in Texas Vol I:Recognition Rupture, and Reconciliation, Nancy Nichols Barker 1971
• Burnet as acting president -- The French Legation in Texas Vol I:Recognition Rupture, and Reconciliation, Nancy Nichols Barker 1971 (surely there's a better source -- maybe "Lone Star"?!)

--Ben Brumfield

[edit] Texans

2005-01-09: This page tells me nothing about who the Texans were in 1836, and why the rebelled against Mexico. Most of the names are English-sounding. Does this mean that Texans spoke English? Were they the descendents of English settlers? --Alex Tingle —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.152.38.2 (talk • contribs) 14:02, January 9, 2005.

• Alex, try the Texas Revolution page. -12.74.168.92 16:21, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• Mr. Tingle, I concur with the previous comment, you wil find more information in Texas Revolution; however, I did add some very brief comments that clarify a little of the historical, ethnic, and political context of the 1836 declaration. --Supersexyspacemonkey

I added a couple sentences that explain why English-speakers moved into the region.

I added some information about other Mexican states that attempted to secede from Mexico.

--WisTex 04:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map

The map highlighting the current U.S. state of Texas in red is completely inappropriate for this article. Those borders were determined by the U.S. Congress after the annexation, and were never a part of the Republic by any measure. -- Decumanus 07:02, 2005 Mar 31 (UTC)

Agreed. Texas was actually much much larger. --WisTex 04:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boundries

Who was actually de facto in control of the area in dispute between the R. of T. and Mexico? I know the area claimed on the east bank of the Rio Grande in current New Mexico was under Mexican control up until the US-Mexican war, at least -- what about the rest? --Jfruh 16:07, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Texas had de facto control after the defeat of Santa Anna, although there were many border clashes where troops from Texas and Mexico crossed the Rio Grande. In fact, Texas Rangers regularly crossed the Rio Grande to pursue bandits (much to the dismay of the U.S. Army after Texas was annexed, I might add) and patrolled all the territory claimed by the Republic of Texas. You should note that the entire Republic of Texas is "disputed territory" according to the Mexican government. The "disputed area" that you often see on maps was the portion of Texas that was claimed by both the Republic of Texas and the Republic of the Rio Grande. Mexico never recognized Texas as a republic. The United States and several European states did recognize Texas' independence, however. --WisTex 04:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Short-lived states category

I removed the Category:Short-lived states notation from the article. A spot check of other entries in that category show that most lasted less than a year, many just a few days. Since the Republic of Texas lasted ten years, I'm not sure it really fits. Any other opinions on this? — Bellhalla 01:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• I agree with your reasoning. Johntex\^talk 01:57, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inconsistencies between articles.

The article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution list the number of men defending the Alamo as 183 and the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas list the number of men as being between 180 and 250.

The article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution list the number of men in Cos' and General Santa Anna's force as being over 1200 and the Texan army as numbering about 900 in Battle of San Jacinto. The article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas list the number of men in Cos' and General Santa Anna's force as being of 1,600 men and the Texan army as numbering only 800. The article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_San_Jacinto has 1200 and 910 respectively. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.120.196.138 (talk • contribs) 09:50, March 2, 2006.

[edit] Delisted GA

Unfortunately, the editor who passed this article to GA status did not write comments in this talk page or leave an edit summary. This article fails on criteria 2b of the GA quality standards. Although references are provided, the citation of sources is essential for verifiability. Most Good Articles use inline citations. I would recommend that this be fixed, to reexamine the article against the GA quality standards, and to resubmit the article through the nomination process. --RelHistBuff 12:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recognition of Texas as an independent country

The article says that when Santa Anna returned to Mexico (1836) the Mexican Congress refused to recognize the existence of the Republic of Texas, although it was recognized by every other major power. This is not true. According to [1], when president Lamar began his term (10 December 1838)... "only the United States had recognized her independence, she had no commercial treaties [and] Mexico was threatening reconquest...". --Alonso 04:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Memucan Hunt

The Memucan Hunt mentioned on this page as a vice presidential candidate in 1841 is not the Memucan Hunt discussed in the article his name links to (since that one died in 1808). There were two of them, possibly the Texas Memucan was the grandson of the North Carolina Memucan (not sure).