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[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 13:09, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Republic of Ireland national soccer team → Republic of Ireland national football team – Page moved when no clear consensus to do so. The Category:European national football teams uses the term “football” rather than “soccer” in all except the Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland articles, both which where recently moved even though their is no consensus to do so. Djegan 00:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Move

I propose to move this article to Republic of Ireland soccer team. There is more than one type of football played in the Republic, and "national" is redundant.

Lapsed Pacifist 14:31, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

All of the teams under Category:European national football teams are in the style "country national football team" so this maybe worth baring in mind. Djegan 19:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Agree with Djegan, also considering that the org that supports the team is also know as Fotball Assn. of Ireland.--Boothy443 | trácht ar 02:40, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Given the popularity of the GAA, to talk of football as if there were only one kind being played in Ireland is insulting.

Lapsed Pacifist 16:54, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

At this point their is no need to reiterate what I said at Talk:Northern Ireland national football team, as it is equally valid. Djegan 16:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


Ditto.

Lapsed Pacifist 21:04, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Steve Staunton

does anybody agree with me that Steve Staunton was in fact poor at football ? I don't think he makes the list.Palx 00:35, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

  • He's more than notable enough - Staunton received more caps than any other player, was captain and is now coach. --Kwekubo 02:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
He was quite an accomplished defender whilst at Liverpool. So good in fact that after Souness left Liverpool purchased him back from Aston Villa. --Lochdale 21:57, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Granny Rule

I do not believe that other national sides' pages have such a defamatory section, and propose that it should be removed from here. A player has entitlement to represent any national team for which he has legal entitlement to a passport, so long as he has not previously represented another nation at U21 or full international level. The England team has featured players who have less claim to be English than sons of the diaspora have claim to be Irish (John Barnes, Graeme LeSaux, Matt LeTissier among others); there were many cases of interchangeable nationality between Spain/Italy and Argentina Uruguay in the past. Kevin McE 11:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Nobody having argued to the contrary iin the month since I posted this, I have removed the defamatory section. If a player is eligible for citizenship, and has not represented any other nation at senior level, why apply a derogatory label to his selection? Kevin McE 13:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Reps???

Has anybody heard this nickname? I certainly haven't, and I suspect it might be no more that a shorthand reference used among an editor's circle. But I won't delete it yet, incase anyone knows otherwise... Kevin McE 23:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Never heard that nickname before. The 'boys in green' is the closest thing I have ever heard to a nickname for the national team. --Lochdale 21:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fifa Rankings

The Republic of Ireland's current Fifa Ranking is 31. Does anyone know what their best, and worst, rankings have ever been? Shouldn't this information be recorded for all International teams?

6th (August 1993: the first set of rankings published) and 57th (November 1998). The info is available at http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/rank/compare.html?static=5 and changes could be made to the infobox to include them for each country, but I can't see me going through all that... Kevin McE 15:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
...but I made a start on it. If the original enquirer or Lochdale, or any one else, thinks its worthwhile, please pop over to Talk:FIFA World Rankings#Help please to give a hand Kevin McE 00:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Good question. Personally, I think the rankings are a joke and I think it's a view shared by a number of football commentators. I would not include the rankings in this article. If anything, the bookies odds are a more accurate indicator of the quality of a team (though I would not advocate putting them in this article either). --Lochdale 22:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
The current ratings system has been in place for less than a month, so it is somewhat precipitate to call them a joke. Besides, as discussed on the international teams infobox talk pages, this ramking is official and encyclopedic, whether or not you consider it accurate. Kevin McE 14:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
So the fact that they are widley disregarded by fans, pundits and teams alike is meaningless? That they are as much about promotion and advertisement as about actual rankings doesn't mean anything? Feel free to add the rankings though I will also add the caveat that they aren't considered to be particularly accurate or decisive. --Lochdale 15:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
. I did not say that the criticisms were meaningless (I have added detail to the criticisms on the relevant article), but their existence is a fact, and their official status makes them encyclopedic. I am unclear as to how a ranking is ever "decisive", of intended to be: their accuracy I believe to have been greatly improved by recent substantial changes in the calculation. Kevin McE 00:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Well I'm not sure what you are basing that on. For example, the US was ranked higher than both Italy and Ghana in the last world cup (all of 6 weeks ago) yet not one bookie had them favourite to win either game. That's an improvement? The rankings are questionable, at best. --Lochdale 02:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Of course rankings are questionable: but that does not mean that they are invalid. The rankngs are a calculation based on historic performance, not a predictor of specific match outcomes. As to your saying that you do not know what I am basing my opinion that the new formula is an improvement upon, I have stated twice that the formula for the rankings has now changed. You have clearly not even taken the trouble to look at FIFA World Rankings to inform yourself as to the date or nature of these changes, and yet you continue to argue your point here. The purpose of an encyclopedia is to provide information, and to do that you need to do your research before you contribute. Kevin McE 10:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Of course they should be included. As Kevin McE said they are factual and this is supposed to be an encyclopedia. It doesn't matter what your opinion is of them. --Dodge 10:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
It is, however, important that it is noted that the rankings are not considered dispositive and are not given much weight in the football community. --Lochdale 17:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Its not important on this page. It maybe important on the Main article on the rankings buiut on the Republic Of Ireland page, the numbers should be noted and nothing else --Dodge 18:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Lochdale 17:26, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Here is how the fifa rankings are fixed.When Ireland drew 2-2 with Isreal when their keeper spent half the game on the floor Ireland dropped from 11th to 22nd.When England lost to Northern Ireland they went up one place.Now ,no offence to Norther Irish people,but losing to northern ireland is much worse than draw against isreal.(if anybody could get me the correct amount of time the isreali keeper spent on the ground 'injured' that would be a great help.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by -the-muffin-man- (talk • contribs) 21:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Asst Manager

After reviewing the almost painful efforts of an anonymous editor over the last few days to include Bobby Robson's role, I have done this by editing the infobox. Although I recognise that his title and job scope are not strictly defined by assistant manager, trying to change this will introduce an inappropriate box on many other international team articles, so please let this slight inaccuracy ride. Kevin McE 14:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Nice job. Lochdale 07:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Additional Links

Would it make sense to include a link to an Irish soccer website such as www.eleven-a-side.com or an Irish soccer discussion board such as foot.ie? I have no connection to either site but just curious to see what people think. Lochdale 07:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gary Breen and some additions

I have removed Gary Breen from the team list as he recently announced his retirement. I have also added Dayrl Murphy to the Strikers list as he was called up and should get a run out on Wednesday against Holland. Lochdale 01:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I can't even bring myself to discuss Saturday's match. Don't want to add Jay Tabb or any else to the squad. Lochdale 16:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Terry Dixon

Can somebodywith a bit more knowledge on Spurs/the underage sides do a page on Terry Dixon. I understand it'll be short at the moment, just think that little bit of red looks bad on the squad section Dodge 15:05, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll try and do some research on the Spurs home page as they have a decent reserves/juniors section. I agree though, we need a little more on Mr. Dixon...assuming he ends up playing for Ireland! Lochdale 18:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Squad section

Does anybody else think the squad section has far too much whitespace? Also due to changing nature of the squad, it could be updated almost monthly. I'd much prefer to see a situation like the Northern Ireland national football team squad section. Any thoughts? Dodge 15:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia Section

Should there be one at all? If there is to be one, surely we can get more interesting titbits than the one there now? My own preference is for removal. Thoughts? Dodge 13:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I've removed it now Dodge 00:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Famous/Infamous games

No other national football team page attempts such a section, and although it might contain anecdotes that are of interest, and even noteworthy in an encyclopedia, I would suggest that the title, at lease, cannot be anything but POV. If I were Brazilian, I would not think that match infamous: far from it. It is infamous only from an Irish supporter's point of view, ergo it is POV. Kevin McE 21:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Agree completely. I think it should be removed. Dodge 22:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The England game should be removed anyway.It was English fans who started the riots,probally because they losing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by -the-muffin-man- (talk • contribs) 21:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC). Somebody put in a lot of time adding those paragraphs, but they have not come here to defend them. I propose to delete them in a week unless discussion here takes a different turn than the statements above.Kevin McE 10:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Kevin, I vote to keep the famous/infamous games list, as it adds some historical context to past performances. They are key moments in the history of the team, after all. BrianO'H 11:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
It seems that recently, every game is either a "famous" or "infamous" game. The Cyprus game was certainly a poor showing, and the San Marino game was certainly better, but both games will likely be forgotten in a couple of years. It would seem that some standard for a famous/infamous game should be created or a time delay before a game may be added. Having said all this, I really like the section and think it should stay, I just don't want it diluted with recent games that aren't that noteworthy. Captkrob 22:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
To be frank, I doubt the Cyprus game will be forgotten. It was an utter debacle. Also, we still remember the 0-0 match with Lichenstein. Lochdale 03:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
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