Talk:Religious imperialism

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the Inquisition was not imperialism and neither are sodomy laws. This article is lame. --Islamist 03:41, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Inquisition murdered those holding different beliefs, i.e. "heretics". Sodomy laws were used during colonialism to attack other faiths and were used against ancient Pagan Greece when Rome became Christian. Apollomelos 04:00, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You don't have a clue what imperialism means. --Islamist 04:09, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Just because you disagree with a used term you cannot "delete" it. It does not even qualify for such.

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• It does not even met the reqs. for regular deletion. Apollomelos 04:35, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If there's a particular instance of sodomy laws you are referring to, that needs to be specified. Gazpacho 05:45, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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1. I've just reinserted the reference to spreading Islam by the sword. I'm not committed to it particularly, but something substantial needs to be said before deleting it. On the whole, Islamic countries were more religiously tolerant than Christian ones, but there have been some notable exceptions (and the taxation example worked both ways). (this was me, Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:17, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC), but other comments have been inserted between the parts of my comment)

1. • Islamist just yanked it out again, btw. --- Dcfleck 17:25, 2005 Apr 16 (UTC)

Show me a legitimate unbigoted historical reference that uses this term. It is a term used by Islamophobes, it is bigoted and unencylcopedic although I'm sure that won't stop this group. See [1]. --Islamist 17:33, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

1. It's not clear to me that the (Spanish) Inquisition counts as religious imperialism; at the very least more needs to be said (as it needs to be said on all the examples given).
2. I've added the 'Poli-stub' tag, but I'm not clear that that's the right choice; any suggestions for an improvement? Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:41, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

According to the Spanish Inquisition article (and my own understanding on the subject), the rulers of Spain used it to consolidate their control of the peninsula.

Maybe Islamist could explain why the remarks about Islam draw personal attacks from him, while none of the other unflattering examples do. Or why he's making personal attacks at all. Gazpacho 21:13, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

In fact, I deleted Inquisition because it was not imperialist. I have not been personally attacking but if you think I have it is because this is just another thinly veiled attempt at Islamophobic editing by bigoted and biased editors. See Klonimus' attempt to add link to Islamofascism to this article indicating to me that's the main reason for bigots to wish this article to exist. --Islamist 23:17, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, "it is bigoted and unencylcopedic although I'm sure that won't stop this group" comes pretty close, and your e-mailed accusation that I'm a hypocrite because I'm obviously a Jew was right in the personal-attack bullseye. Read Wikipedia:Assume good faith and Wikipedia:No personal attacks.

Also, when arguments have been given for a particular view (such as "According to the Spanish Inquisition article (and my own understanding on the subject), the rulers of Spain used it to consolidate their control of the peninsula" it's not good enough simply to say "I deleted Inquisition because it was not imperialist". The essence of collaboration is discussion, not the mere stating of beliefs. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:17, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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I've just removed Islamist's rewriting of the Spanish-Inquisition example to give the detail that it involved torture, and was aimed at Muslims and Jews. First, there's a resulting imbalance, in that none of the other examples was expanded in this way. I'm all for at least some expansion of all of them, but not selectively according to individual editors' personal concerns. Secondly, if more information is to be given, it should be accurate, and I'm not clear that that's true of the implication that Muslims and Jews were equally affected (or even, given the ordering, that Muslims suffered more). Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:25, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Maybe you should read about the Spanish Inquisition before deleting facts that you obviously have poor knowledge about and inserting such remarkably bigoted links (adding a link to Islamofascism?!). Maybe User:Jayjg can explain for you why he keeps returning a link to an Islamophobic bigot's pejorative epithet instead of something more worthwhile? --Islamist 03:24, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That's an odd comment coming from the creator of the Judeofascism article. Jayjg ^(talk) 03:34, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I didn't create it. It already existed. Why don't you answer the question? --Islamist 03:46, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It existed as a re-direct; you created the content. Jayjg ^(talk) 03:59, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The content paralleled the content at islamofascism. I did not try to link Judeofascism to other articles in Wikipedia as you have done here. Answer the question and stop trying to distract. --Islamist 04:19, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You created the content; please stop trying to distract. Jayjg ^(talk) 14:21, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This is beyond absurd. I am not denying or trying to conceal the use of torture by the Inquisition. That subject is discussed at length where it should be, on the Spanish Inquisition page. You have presumed bad faith and attacked me personally, and an apology is in order. Gazpacho 06:24, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)