Talk:Reform of the House of Lords
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This article was nominated for deletion on 8 October 2006. The result of the discussion was speedy keep (no reason given for nomination). |
This is not a private article. It is open to anyone willing to fill out the facts to come and help. Remember however it is a difficult subject and we've had problems because it started one sided. I'm hoping to take the development out of the gaze of the deletionists by setting up a new account: LordsReform, where we can put articles until they are developed. (But I make no promises because I've been surprised before!)
There is more stuff under development to see it look at: User:LordsReform Or go to the docs: Mike 12:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] General Discussion
I have produced a new introduction and a section on pre-1997 reforms. The modern material still needs some work, to give more information about the House of Lords Act 1999 and the subsequent proposals for further reforms. --Gary J 19:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
A vast improvement! Thanks. I've taken the liberty of formatting it a bit to make it a bit more readable - I hope you don't mind.
I've also started to add some sub pages so that more can be written on each of the options.
- I am impressed with how much this article has been improved since I worked on it. That is the benefit of Wikipedia at its best. The product of several people is better than any of them would be likely to do alone. --Gary J 18:08, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- I have reordered the sections. I've moved up the history & sequence of events because this makes the article start in a neutral uncontentious way. I've related "issues" as "debate" which again should make it more neutral Mike 22:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sub pages
I've added Various links and in some cases the actual pages. I would appreciaate some feedback on this idea.Mowgli++ 17:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC) I've taken the hint (and read policy on sub pages which someone could have told me about!) and have created one page on proposals combing all the proposals on one page.
[edit] Lords Reform - History
Great section!Mowgli++ 17:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
This is a section I was originally responsible for drafting. I am in the proceess of adapting it, so it can stand alone as an article. --Gary J 22:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lords Reform - Public Debate
Since sub pages need to be stand alone, I've give it some thought and I think covering the debate on Lords reform really needs an article on its own. The scope would be the public debate sourced from Parliamentary speaches, the consultation responses, newspaper articles and letters and any web sites from established organisations or those groups involved in the consultations.
- Lords Reform - Roles moved to [[
User:LordsRefrom/Roles]] now User:LordsReform/New
I took this out of the main article as there are quite a few different ideas on the roles of the lords/commons (the consequence of an unwritten constitution?). It is now being used to capture the various interpretations of the relationship between the House of Lords and Commons. My intention is that it will eventually form a section in the article on covering the public debate.
- Lords Reform - Aims moved to [[
User:LordsReform/Aims]] now User:LordsReform/New
whilst work is in progress. My intention at the moment is to make it into an "aims" section on the public debate. I'm not sure about the name! There are very different ideas expressed in the many proposal about this issue. In particular there have been quite a few proposals for allotment/sortition. I don't think the background information would be suitable to the main article, but it really needs to go somewhere for those who haven't come across sortition or the many alternavtive views of democracy + the problem of applying it to an upper chamber.Mike 17:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- Lords Reform - Proposals moved to [[
User:LordsReform/Consultation & Public Debate]] now User:LordsReform/New
so that it can be worked on in peace and quiet.Mike 14:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC) Created to amalgamate the detail information on the range of proposals that have been offered by government, Mps, Lords, public and detailed in consultation papers, Hansard, newspaper, websites. Mike 10:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC) When I've got to a stage where it is relatively stable and balanced, I'll put it back on WikiMike 14:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sections
[edit] Introduction paragraph(s)
- I have a strong feeling that our American colleagues really don't appreciate the way Lords reform has become a subject in its own right deserving a place in Wikipedia. I have tried to strength the introduction to make it sound more encycolpedic whilst at the same time clearly defining the scope of this article.Mike 08:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- It is good practice to have an introduction summarising what an article is about. However the use of the heading 'Introduction' is not advisable. If you have no heading the introductory material will go before the contents box. If you look at other articles you will see that is how introductions are normally handled. I believe there is a Wikipedia policy favouring such an approach. --Gary J 22:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- Good point LordsReform 12:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] History
This is hard work! I've tried to paraphrase the commission's proposals. I don't know if I've done it very well. Someone could have a look. Look at user:LordsReforms/sources if you want to help or see what has been done. Mike 14:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Debate
I moved the issues down the article, so that it would open so confrontationally? There seems to be developing a few sections all which are part of "the debate", so I created the new section. Mike 14:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proposals
- It would be useful to have some other input to this section. I've laid it out with my own ideas, not because that is what should be there but because I haven't anything else to put there! Mike 14:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Judicial role
This does still exist, but has already been reformed. A very little noticed statute called the Constitutional Reform Act 2005 transfers the judicial powers of the House of Lords to a new Supreme Court of the United Kingdom. That reform will be brought into force when the Supreme Court has a suitably grand court building available (which is expected to be in 2009) and the era of the Law Lords will then end. --Gary J 02:18, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- That's the great thing about having a Wikipedia article, I'd know things like that and know where to look!Mike 11:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
