Talk:Redwood National and State Parks

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Contents 1 bring to featured article level 2 From my talk page:the History section 3 International Biosphere designation 4 "Filmed" = director?

[edit] bring to featured article level

The tallest trees on earth need a better article. I hope others will assist me in my attempts to get this article to featured article level.--MONGO 09:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I had a look. Feel free to revert or remove any or all of my changes. I think it reads better now though, and without losing any information. Hope you agree. --Guinnog 09:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

That's fine...I need all the help I can get.--MONGO 09:21, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Cheers. I think it is looking better all the time. Also check out Save-the-Redwoods League, which I'm sure you can add to. I started it to fix a redlink on this article. Fascinating stuff. --Guinnog 10:07, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that....I was going to do it...I kept telling myself...but just kept putting it off.--MONGO 10:47, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Know what you mean. Here's another one to check; I don't have much knowledge of the terminology of US politics, so may have made mistakes in my creation of John E. Raker which eliminates another redlink. Please check when you can. Thanks.

Looks fine to me..I've only done one bio stub myself...so I thank you for this one.--MONGO 14:12, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

My pleasure. Final redlink eliminated with creation of Franciscan Assemblage. Now I am going to kick back and watch the World Cup with a beer! Best, --Guinnog 14:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

That's a lot quicker than I work..I must be getting old. Thanks for all the help.--MONGO 14:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

It really has been a pleasure to help on such an interesting and informative article on one of my favourite places. I would have uploaded some of my photos of the area, but the ones there are very good already. --Guinnog 14:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] From my talk page:the History section

Thanks - I was fixing it as you were, so we had a copyedit. I'm going to try a slightly different approach.Sam 16:16, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

A couple tweaks made and a paragraph split out - see what you think. Sam 16:28, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't see the point of breaking out the gold rush into its own paragraph. It's too short, for one thing. More importantly, the logic of having the gold rush narrated in both the first and the second paragraphs was surely that it needed mentioning in the contexts of its impact on both the native peoples (=the first paragraph) and on the redwoods (=the second paragraph). If anything, I would rather integrate what are now all three first paragraphs, so as only to describe the gold rush once, than break it up like that, I'm afraid. Frutti di Mare 16:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC).

Yes, Gold Rush should be altogether, that would help it quite a bit! The two sentences now in the second paragraph do need to be fleshed out, but I found the "traditional Indian life" and "Decimation of Native Americans" to be two different concepts that did not read well together. I don't see the third paragraph as focused on impact on the Redwoods, since it includes fur trading, but I would see all of it improved by moving to a true chronology instead of jumping back and forth. Thanks. Sam 17:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

It's chronological now. Check it out, please. Frutti di Mare 17:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC).

Well, not quite, but I suppose it's only from 1850 on that there is any research into the state of the native peoples, so it can't be helped that that gets some mention ahead of time. Perhaps there could be less of it, though. Frutti di Mare 17:28, 12 June 2006 (UTC).

I think that reads better. I don't think a perfect chronology is needed, and in historical articles I've argued against them, but I think the general chronology here helps lead the reader through a pretty packed section.

I would break out as a separate paragraph the thought the last two sentences, that start moving on to the deforestation/preservation discussion, but I think I like short paragraphs more than others. "Is known to have thoroughly investigated" has also been nagging at me, but I don't have a better suggestion right now. Sam 17:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] International Biosphere designation

Anybody have a source? This, linked from UNESCO Biosphere website seems to raise questions as to whether RNSP is actually in the biosphere. Niteowlneils 02:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Looking this over...the U.S. Government website states that the park is a biosphere reserve...bottom of their page:[1], but I believe that the biosphere reserve is for the northern California coast ranges...and area that includes the park.--MONGO 02:15, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The map[2] has two dots that both go to the coast ranges...the lower one appears more to be related to Redwoods...maybe their website is area specific rather than site specific...--MONGO 02:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I've been poking around more, and it seems like there must be at a minimum, overlap. Sure wish I could find a map showing the actual boundaries of the Biosphere--all I can find are ones with a dot at the middle/research station/hq/whatever. EG At least one of the Lat/Long combinations here lands pretty close to the parks (the seconds are guessed, so I wouldn't expect a perfect hit). Niteowlneils 03:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I trust the federal website. I think the biospheres are more like "zones", I don't know why both of those dots go to Coast Ranges...the one definitely looks like it intends to go to Redwoods...they have Corum, Montana seperately linked as a Biosphere reserve, so I find it no surprise that they would feel the tallest trees on Earth and the rare surrounding ecosystem would also be worthy. Thanks for asking as I want all the information in this article to be accurate.--MONGO 03:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

On the page for the Coast ranges[3], it states that the webpage hasn't been updated since 4/23/2002, and I saw another [4] that states that the page was last updated in 1992! I think they need a new webmaster.--MONGO 03:43, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Filmed" = director?

George Lucas "filmed" the Endor scenes for Return of the Jedi...

"Filming" the scenes implies that he was the director of the movie. He was not - Richard Marquand was. Lucas was the cowriter and executive producer of RotJ. If he did some uncredited second unit shooting then I guess the statement would be true, although there was obviously more than just second unit stuff filmed for the Endor scenes and that statement leaves out Marquand and the regular crew. Perhaps it needs to be changed to something along the lines of "Scenes from Return of the Jedi were filmed..." without giving a specific individual's name.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by LwsP729 (talk • contribs).

Will take care of it.--MONGO 13:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)