Talk:Rat Terrier
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I don't know how this wikidedia stuff works but this article on Rat Terriers is incorrect.
The breed that Teddy Roosevelt owned was a different breed with a length to height ratio outside that of the Rat Terrier breed standard. The dogs that Teddy Roosevelt are now recognized as a seperate and unique breed known as, whatelse... "Teddy Roosevelt Terriers". Teddy Rooselelt Terriers have shorter legs than their close cousin the American Rat Terrier. In anycase, the fact in the article about Teddy Roosevelt owning Rat Terriers are close but not factually accurate.
Somebody who knows how this Wiki stuff works please correct this article. Thank you.
- How it works is someone clicks "edit this page" and puts in the correct info. Hopefully they also add a "References" section to the end of the article listing the source of the info, or they come here to this page and say "based on the info about TR Terriers in xxxxx, I've changed the page accordingly." Elf | Talk 23:06, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
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- AFAIK TRTs are a selectively bred Rat Terrier, no longer called Rat Terriers but they once were a variant. Article needs editing but is not exactly 'wrong'. This should go on the Dog Project TODO list or someone just fix here, be my guest! Quill 04:43, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Origin of the Rat Terrier.
Okay, this is beggining to bug and confuse me, I have read the article and the external links over. The article itself states that the RT originated in England and was developed in america. The external links give the same info:
"It is said that in 1820 England, the cross of Manchester Terrier and Smooth Fox Terrier was made. It proved to be one of the best mixtures in the sport of rat baiting. They were called or named Rat Terriers."
Would this not make the country of origin England and the Country of Development America. Even though they are more known in America, and a great deal of the history of the breed is in America. Isnt England still the true country of origin? Tekana | Talk 09:10, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
- Huh. OK. I'll see whether I can find some more definitive info *somewhere* and respond here. Elf | Talk 18:33, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Ta elf. as I have said, its really beginning to bug me Tekana | Talk 19:21, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
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- Well, I'd question that quote--like someone was standing around in 1820 to notate the first cross of a Manchester Terrier and a Smooth Foxie? I think not.
- Your logic is correct, Tekana. Trouble is, people don't know the true origins of these little terriers. The term rat terrier is still used in Ireland, e.g. for a range of types of little rodent routers, crossed with Lord-only-knows-what.
- So the question is, is todays American Rat Terrier a direct descendent of ratting terriers brought over from England? I'm guessing not; my vote would be for parallel development of the rat terrier in the New World (and Europe and Australasia and...and...) making the Rat Terrier American in the same way as the Mini Foxie and Tentie are descended from English dogs but the country of origin is without a doubt Australia.
- Now, compare this to the JRT, where the type itself was undisputedly developed in England and brought over to Australia already as an identifyable type-cum-breed thingy, but was not recognized in England. So Australia got credit for being the country of development.
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- Clear as mud;? Quill 22:55, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
In my readings of rat terriers (back to the first comment about Teddy Roosevelt rats) there are 2 body types: A & B. The first is taller and the second has much shorter legs and are known as "Teddy" rats, no doubt because they resemble Teddy's rats. Both are rat terriers and are recognized by the UKC, as such. If you want definitive characteristics go to NRTA website. katsrap--Kath 16:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Facts are facts .... why are you only allowing the mention of the UKC( which began recognizing RT's in 1999, a mere 7yrs ago!), and the ARTA? Why not be factual about the registeries that recognize the RT ... and include the UKCI (which was the first registry to accept the RT, and has been recognizing the them since the 1930's)? No inclusion of the NRTA either.
I also find it humorous that you mention the TOY aspect of the breed, yet you fail to understand that none of your "approved" registeries recognize the toy size. Only the Miniatures and the Standards are registerable with the UKC, ARTA, and the AKC FSS, as they claim that the TOY doesn't exist. It's fairly obvious to someone well versed in the subject of Rat Terriers, that this article if full of holes.
Oh, and another FACT that I would like to make clear .... Rat Terriers with the Decker Bloodline are called DECKER GIANTS not Giant Deckers!
[edit] are you against rescuing dogs???
please replace the two dog rescue sites that were added on this page. there's nothing commercial about helping needy dogs find homes!
removal of those links is questionable at best, offensive at worst.
jen. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.217.75.61 (talk • contribs) .
- Quite the opposite, I am a foster for a rescue, and two of my own dogs came rescue (one from my rescue, one from another) as well. In the end, wikipedia is not a web directory, so listings of 'where to get dogs' are not allowed - the article would become overwhelmed with them, there are so many. If you think it's offensive, think of it this way: wikipedia is not a soap box, we have to support the neutral point of vew - wikipedia can not say that "rescues are better places to get the dogs", so equal time would have to be given to the back yard breeder and the pet store (which also are not allowed). DO you want that? Promotion of web sites or services (even non-commercial ones, or ones for a good cause) is not allowed, so we don't list anything at all. - Trysha (talk) 21:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
A fact that is clear upon reading the feisty comments above is that dogs and those humans who like and/or own a breed do resemble each other! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.7.142.220 (talk • contribs) . -- Trysha (talk) 16:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Photo of Ears
I noticed all photos of the Rat Terriers on this page have tipped ears. In my experience working with rat terriers, this is less common than the upright variety...
As such I inserted a photo of a rat terrier with upright ears.--Macboots 17:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
