User talk:Rastapopoulos

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[edit] Additional welcome

Hi, Rastapopoulos! I, also, would like to welcome you to Wikipedia. I appreciate your edits to Constantine II of Greece; your updates to the text seem more NPOV and encyclopedic in tone than the previous version, and you provided some good additional detail about the circumstances leading up to the abolition of the monarchy. Thanks! and continue the good work. Cheers, LiniShu 00:41, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

A belated thanks to you :) Rastapopoulos 07:09, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] on the "non-dogmatic nature of Freemasonry"

Hi, I beg to disagree with your edit of my edit. Asserting, a priori, that Freemasonry is "non-dogmatic" by nature is certainly a Masonic-POV statement. Such an assertion is neitheir neutral nor self-evident to a non-Mason. Rastapopoulos 13:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, for re-adding that statement to be POV, there would have to be Masonic dogma. Since every member brings his own religion to lodge, this is not the case.--SarekOfVulcan 17:49, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I guess our difference is in the interpretation of "dogmatic". YOu apparently use the word "dogmatic" in the sense of "denominational." However, "dogmatic" has a wider meaning than that: besides religion, dogma can mean any doctrine or code of beliefs accepted as authoritative; belief in an abstract grand architect of the universe can sound dogmatic to a non-Mason. QED. Rastapopoulos 08:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

But it's not an "abstract GAoTU" -- it's God. We refer to Him by that term to avoid denominational quarrels, and to remind us that He created the heavens and the earth.--SarekOfVulcan 16:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I see your point. Mine is that any notion of a divinity, and the belief that he/she/it created the heavens and the earth is not at all "non-dogmatic." I guess we agree we disagree on this one :)

Rastapopoulos 22:49, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Babel box

Hi Rastapopoulos. Your Babel box looks slightly messed up. If you change the first line in the code from "Babel-5" to "Babel-4" it should be fine (alternatively, you might want to add a fifth box to the table to clean it up.) Regards. --Valentinian 10:47, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much!!! Rastapopoulos 16:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] AKEL and Enosis

What are your sources on AKEL becoming staunchly opposed to Enosis in the 50s? They were supporters of unconditional immediate enosis since 1949 and in 1952 expelled more moderate members that supported constitution/self government as an intermediate stage. They were against the London Zurich agreements.Mavros

Off the top of my head:
As a communist organization, AKEL was more oriented towards internationalism. However, I agree that it did support Enosis (particularly upon the tactical request of N. Zachariadis) until 1954, and actively supported the pro-Enosis plebiscite in January 1950.
AKEL’s stance toward Enosis shifted thereafter. The outcome of the Greek civil war was that Greece joined the western sphere of influence. And the military flank of EOKA, which for better or worse had become the main vehicle for Enosis, was headed by George Grivas, a staunch royalist and anti-communist. Given the frightful fate of AKEL’s Communist comrades in Greece, it is not surprising that AKEL-supporters were the only organized Greek Cypriots not side with EOKA’s fight for Enosis. Moreover, Enosis at that point would lead to immediate adhesion of Cyprus to the western political and military sphere, which flew in the face of AKEL’s communist profile.
At the time, the head of KKE (AKEL’s sister-party in Greece) N. Zachariadis uncovered the identity of “Dighenis” to the British (regardless if the Brits probably already knew his identity all along). EOKA followed with a bloody purge against AKEL members. The rest is history.
I will get back with relevant bibliography. Rastapopoulos 15:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Sorry but your arguments sound like " If I were AKEL I would be against because...". Please quote any party decisions against Enosis. AKEL being against EOKA and Grivas doesn't mean AKEL was against Enosis.Mavros 17:10, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Although this is anathema to any AKEL supporter, it is a fact that the fight for Enosis (which took a violent turn against the British) was undertaken by EOKA. And AKEL was 100% against EOKA during its anti-colonial pro-enosis fight against the British. There are literally dozens of examples of how AKEL in practice fought enosis by undermining the pro-enosis guerilla tactics undertaken by Makarios and Grivas though EOKA. Here are just a few random examples:
a. On Dec. 18 1954, student organizations demonstrated in favor of enosis. The Central Committee of AKEL issued statements calling the actions "hooliganisms" (τραμπουκισμούς)
b. On January 13 1955, AKEL issued a statement which condemned a radio broadcast from Athens which mentioned guerilla actions and sabotage in Cyprus, and stressed that AKEl's fight was peaceful.
c. following explosions set off by EOKA at the British command HQ in Larnaca, the communist Mayor of Larnaca G. Christodoulidis visited the British Commander in to express his sorrow and to say that "AKEL is opposed to armed violence"(Cyprus Mail, April 2 1955)
d. In May 1956, the Central Committee of AKEL stated, inter alia, that "we should not demand immediate self-determination, but should follow the road of negotiations ... even Lenin made negotiations..."
You, however, seem to be much more familiar with AKEL's party nomenclature than I. Allow me to shift the burden of proof to you: please let us know of any party decisions and/or actions in favor of enosis (irregardless of EOKA) undertaken by AKEL after 1954. Rastapopoulos 22:10, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] A L E K O S

Esteemed character of Hergé, Many thanks for your editings. Most kind of you, indeed. Democracy is a very well defined concept we use, as you certainly know, in politics. Useless to argue on this matter. Alekos did prove his democratic spirit not only with says but also with deeds, which I am convinced are undeniable. On the contrary, left or left-center is not necessarily to mean that someone is democratic… Now, concerning Aleko’s stay in Florence. I think his relationship with Oriana, already stated in the text, I think in the right place, in this particular phase is a detail. But I didn’t modify it. As for Pier Paolo, he had a much richer social life then strictly defined by you as film-director. He was also an actor, politician, etc…. It suffices to click on the link and read. But, I didn’t modify it either. I think the article as it stands is almost perfect. There are of course aspects of Aleko’s life that need to be enriched or insert such as the periode before and after the attempt, the tortures, his action for the restoration of a democratic regime, etc. And this is perhaps the best way to contribute. Consequently, if you have any remarks to do, I will invite you to do so in the discussion page that provides Wikipedia, the encyclopaedia the most democratic.Laonikos 13:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


I am positif with your last editing. Many thanks. Feel free to develop it if interested and discuss it, vry bst rgds, Laonikos 13:23, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Esteemed anagram of Nikolaos, thank you for your kind words. I to feel that the article is pretty close to perfection :) I agree that the αδικοχαμένος Pier Paolo was much more than a film director, I'll see how I can amend that. As far as Oriana is concerned, I recall reading somewhere that he was given hospitality by her before they became otherwise involved...but I forget my source, so feel free to amend it if you feel otherwise. I am particularly interested in developing the ESA File story, but need to back it up with sources. It would take a Lagonikos to unravel that mystery :) Rastapopoulos 13:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


Very nice to see that the prestige of Pier Paolo is restored :) In Oriana's book you will have an idea about their life of couple and their time in Firenze, indeed. I have yet to bag for your attention to the fact that she wrote a novel, probably close to her own version of Aleko's life, as the full title indicates: "Un Uomo:Romanzo". There you can also find some clues on the Files of ESA, I think the last two chapters or so... But, I am afraid, of litle credibility. They may be contested at some stage. regards Laonikos 14:23, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anagram of Wikipedia

Wikipedia doesn't accept original research. While the fact that it is an anagram is obvious, this anagram has not been published in any reliable sources. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-03-8 15:44

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Thanks! The photo is from political promo material from the 1950s, which is of fair use as per Wiki-guidelines. I have edited the photo accordingly.Rastapopoulos 15:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:NSAMPSON.JPG

You say it's a "Public domain photo of Sampson", but don't specify why (none of the more advanced tags) nor its origin. As he died on 2001, seems a bit difficult to it be in the PD. Can you add the information?

Thanks Platonides 10:35, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! The photo is from political promo material which is of fair use as per Wiki-guidelines. I have edited the photo accordingly. Rastapopoulos 12:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greek and Cypriot media coverage

Hello Rastapopoulos,

I am writing a thesis on Croatia's candidacy to join the EU as seen by the various European media. As I see that you are a native Greek speaker interested in history and politics I was wondering if you would consider helping me. Needless to say, I don't speak Greek. However, I think it would be a shame if my thesis were to reflect only the views and topics covered in the countries such as Austria, Britain, France, Germany, the Netherlands etc (in short, the countries whose languages I understand). Therefore, I would like to include a section on Greek and Cypriot media in my thesis. I am not only interested in Croatia's candidacy, but also in the wider subjects people associate with the EU. I left a more detailed list on my discussion page.

I will be more than grateful if you could leave me just a link to a Greek or Cypriot newspaper article that deals with any of the above subjects with a short summary such as for example: "XY is opposed to Turkey's membership because of the unresolved Cyprus issue" or "the membership of Croatia is bad because the constitutional treaty has been rejected in France and the Netherlands" or "party X is critical to Greece's membership in the eurozone because of..." Also any other information is appreciated.

I will be sending this message to several other native Greek speakers. Also if you know a Wikipedian who could help me, please let me know. Of course, if you're not interested, please accept my apologies and feel free to erase the message. Thank you for your time. PGradStudent 11:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Ancient Greek Wikisource

I understand from your userboxes you're interested in Ancient Greek. I've submitted a proposal to add an Ancient Greek Wikisource on Meta, and I'd be very grateful if you could assist me by either voting in Support of the proposal, or even adding your name as one of the contributors in the template. (NB: I'm posting this to a lot of people, so please reply to my talkpage or to Meta) --Nema Fakei 20:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pardon my French

Pardon, my French, but have you seen that the malakes politicians, under Papoutsis, in Athens have decided to change the names of 'Odos Amalias' and especially 'Odos Vassilis Sofias' to Costas Karamanlis and Andreas Papandreou. So from Syndagma to Kyfisias you will be in 'Odos Kolopaido', sorry, I meant 'Odos Andreas Papandreou'. You probably know that I have no sympathy for the monarchic system, but history is history and we cannot erase it - unless you are a malakas kolopaido of an Athenian politician named Papoutsis. (sorry for the language, milane ta nevra). Politis 15:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Politi, I agree with you 100%, that is purely ridiculous. These names have plagued our parents, are annoying us, and will probably torment our children too (dont forget Kostakis has twins - Georgakis also has two offspring)! What's next,"odos Mitsotaki"? (bwahahaha!) Rastapopoulos 16:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

At least you have the luxury of freely voting, against or in favour of those names that so "plague" you ; more than could be said about your beloved, deposed Glucksburg former royalties. AvianFluke 12:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Ρε Nταλάρα, I do not appreciate visitors coming to my user page to insult my intelligence! As for "free voting," may I remind you of the "βια και νοθεία" perpetrated by your beloved Ethnarch? "The ass called the cock bigheaded!" (Είπε ο γάιδαρος τον πετεινό κεφάλα)! Rastapopoulos 12:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

You mean to say the "βία και νοθεία" perpetrated under monarchy, which Karamanlis pinned on the palace? It's so funny that, of all people, a Glucksburg supporter would make mention of that!

And good thing too that, ever since we deposed the Glucksburg royals off of Greek public life (along with their unfortunate habit of disrupting the democratic process, bickering with elected leaders, and swearing in Dictators) we have been able to pride ourselves on 32 years of uninterrupted, free, democratic elections and popular rule. Without their kind of interferrence. There's free voting and democracy for you. AvianFluke 14:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Mr AvianFluke:
1.Why do you insist on calling me a Glucksburg supporter? I am no more a Glucksburg supporter than you are a Karamanlis supporter. I feel that the years 1945-1974 were a dark age, have no sympathy for most of the protagonists involved, with few exceptions (eg people with balls, like Alekos Panagoulis).
2. How dare you insinuate that I am undemocratic or against freedom, and give me lessons on democracy? That is something I truly resent of you.
3. How can you claim "since we deposed the Glucksburg royals" (sic)?! Unless you were old enough to vote in the plebiscite, I can only take this as an ejaculation of Napoleonic delusions of grandeur.
4. Finally accept this as a peace-offering: I really feel that the synergy of different views , including yours, can only help us render Wiki articles more rich and balanced. Let us all stop thowing masturbatory adjectives to each other and together try to improve the quality of Wiki articles on Greece Rastapopoulos 15:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to "give you a lesson" ; I was responding to your dismissal of my point. In any case, I will accept your peace-offering and agree that our time would be better spent trying to better wikipedia rather than quarelling. AvianFluke 16:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough! Thanks for teaching me the proper masturbatory form :P Rastapopoulos 16:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "For the sake of people who lack proper education"?

What can I say, my friend? Not all of us have had the blessing of an education at Karatzaferis's Academy of Communications Studies. :-)

Not that it is of any concern to you, but philosophically I am a libertarian. To me, Karatzaferis and Papariga are the same...από τον κώλο στο μουνί, δυό δάχτυλα και κάτι τι! Rastapopoulos 14:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

A... monarchist libertarian? There's an unusual strand for researchers. You might want to update the Wikipedia libertarianism entry with this! AvianFluke 15:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Metapolitefsi

Hi there. I took the liberty of replacing your λεζάντα in the Metapolitefsi article with a more straightforward text. No offense or anything, I just felt that the humour was inappropriate in the context of wikipedia.

No offense taken. However, my λεζάντα was in line with the highly whimsical flair of this article Rastapopoulos 06:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Metapolitefsi revisited

Hi Rastapopoulos. Can you please check the article out again and let me know if you agree to remove that annoying tag? Thanks, Τάσος. Dr.K. 20:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Done! I hope to contribute to the article once my dreaded schedule allows it :) Rastapopoulos 14:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Ευχαριστώ πολύ και θα το επιθυμούσα ιδιαιτέρως. Dr.K. 08:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greek history project

Hi! We've met each otherin some talk pages and I thought you might be interested in the following:

In my Userpage I expressed my thoughts about not having any Wiki-project working on Greek topics, while users from other countries are far more active. User:Argos'Dad read my thoughts and expressed his interest in participating in a project concerning the Greek history. Check User talk:Yannismarou/Thoughts. After that response I went through history projects in Wikipedia. There aren't many of them, but I think it is an interesting idea and I hope it will not be difficult to recruit members.
I think we could use as a model Wikipedia:WikiProject History of India. Have a look, when you have time. I believe that, if we decide it, during the Weekend I can start setting the page of the Wikiproject. And then we must start recruiting and organizing (main goals, plans, templates, priorities, rating article, possibly peer-reviewing-I like peer-reviewing articles!, ways of collaboration, topics, possible task forces [ancient, medieval, modern Greece] etc.).
I see you are very interested in history topics. What do you think about this plan ? Are you interesting in participating ? Do you think we can recruit members? If I start the page in the next 2-3 days may I count on you?--Yannismarou 08:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Yanni, you can certainly count me in. I'll spread the word :) Rastapopoulos 13:15, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Greece

Το ξεκίνησα! Στη σελίδα διαλόγου του project (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject History of Greece) θα δεις τις προτάσεις μου και τις σχέσεις μου για το μέλλον. Άλλωστε, ελπίζω ότι από τη στιγμή της δημιουργίας του το project θα φύγει από τα χέρια του και θα αγκαλιαστεί και από όλους χρήστες, που θα του προσφέρουν τη δική τους δυναμική. Αυτός είναι ο στόχος μου. Να μη μείνει ένα μνημειακό δείγμα χωρίς ζωή.
Οποιαδήποτε συνεισφορά, οπώς και η ενημέρωση άλλων χρηστών για το project ή προτάσεις σχετικά με το lay-out και τη δομή του project είναι άκρως επιθυμητές. Προσδοκώ στη βοήθειά σου, όποτε θα σου είναι δυνατό. Άλλωστε, έχεις ήδη εμπλουτίσει τη Wikipedia με αρκετά νέα άρθρα, που είναι ακόμη stubs, και μέσω τoy project, θα μπορούσε ίσως να γίνει πολύ καλή δουλειά.
Χαιρετίσματα!--Yannismarou 16:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

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