User talk:Ran J.

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Hello, Ran J., and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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  • Hello. Thanks for reminding me, though I figured it out a few seconds before I read your remark. Ran J. 16:04, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Copy from hydnjo's talk

==Your edit on my talk page==

I have taken notice that you tried to permanently change my usertalk page, editing Karmafists's welcome message with your username. As of now, I do not know if you had the right to do that, therefore I kindly demand an explanation. I will inform Karmafist of this issue in case you do not reply. Ran J. 09:03, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I did alter that portion of your talk page having to do with Karmafist's signature link to his manifesto. The change (edit) was not permanent as I see you have reverted my edit back to Karmafist's original welcome. The reason for my edit was that one result of the request for arbitration regarding Karmafist's link to his manifesto as part of his welcoming message was:
*1) Karmafist is prohibited from welcoming with any template or wording other than {{welcome}}. He may not link to personal advocacy pages, or include political language, in the welcome message, signature, or edit summary. He must use a reasonable, civil, relevant edit summary. "Welcoming" is to be interpreted broadly, to prevent gaming. If Karmafist violates this remedy, he may be blocked for a short time of up to one week. After five such blocks, the maximum block time is increased to one year.
'Passed 7-0'
You are of course allowed to edit your talk page as you see fit. One way around this situation would be for you to provide a link to Karmafist's manifesto on your talk page without it being part of a signature as which would be against the arbcom's ruling. Regards, hydnjo talk 20:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and although I have provided the explanation that you have so kindly "demanded", I have no problem and in fact encourage you to keep Karmafist advised of my action. hydnjo talk 21:11, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
And as an act of good faith, I have left Karmafist's welcome without the objectionable link. I hope that this resolves the issue. If not, please contact me or another user for further clarification. Regards again from, hydnjo talk 01:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I actually found his welcome message to be informative and neutral. I did notice that there's a link to his userpage, which I didn't visit, so it was not of my knowledge that it included some kind of text, entitled 'manifesto', closing with the following line: "This document has been inspired by the 95 Theses of Martin Luther". I did not 'kindly demand' an explanation, I asked for one. Ran J. 19:25, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I only copied the text from your first paragraph: "...therefore I kindly demand an explanation... " But, my edit had nothing to do with that and I'm sorry to have even brought it up. My edit was intended to reflect the decision of the Arbcom. hydnjo talk 20:03, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Part of my reply seems to have been slightly aggressive, which wasn't my intention. My suggestion to you: make a usertalk entry prior to a change. This might leave the other party less baffled :) - that said, I guess there is legitimate reason to keep Karmafist from welcoming new Wikipedia users but at the same time, the welcome message he wrote to me was very friendly and neutral. Whatever 'Arbcom' is, I do not see any reason why I have to follow their 'decision'. Have a nice rest of the weekened, Ran J. 22:21, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Point taken. I was trying to undo tens of "Welcomes" which had been deemed inappropriate by the Arbcom decision. I apologize to you for my hasty rv'ing of Karmafist's "Welcome" message to you. I'll leave it up to you to make your own decision as to the legitimacy of an Arbcom ruling but the usual response to a user defying their ruling has been to ban/block that user for some period of time. In Karmafist's situation, after being blocked, he started a "sockpuppet" account, User:KFSP, which was quickly traced to him.
Karmafist and I have no animous towards each other and have comunicated here publicly and privately via email. He and I don't always agree on issues but do respect each others right to our own and each other's opinions. I sincerely hope that he will return to be a respected member of this community. He will however, in the meantime, be required to abide by the decisions of our arbitration processes. Again, regards from hydnjo talk 23:00, 22 April 2006 (UTC)



As a result of this,

[edit] Edit rule

I do not accept any edits to messages in my usertalk page which haven't been created by the individual with the intention to edit, without my prior consent or explaining the matter to me, asking me to edit it myself. Ran J. 19:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just to let you know

If you would like to do so, you can start an Ran J. user page which would still render as a red link but would redirect to your User talk:Ran J. page seamlessly without a user having to go to the trouble of two-stepping to your talk page. Just a suggestion - I wont feel bad I you ignore me and keep things the way they are. Give us a "ping" for whatever or whenever. :-) Warm regards from hydnjo talk 00:15, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, now if you want your signature to be red as in Ran J. instead of blue as in Ran J. (but with the proper linkage) then go to your preferences and in the "Nickname" box type <font color="#ff0000"> just before your signature and </font> after your signature just like I just did for this example, Good luck and get back to me if you think I can be of help. :-) hydnjo talk 02:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
If you do nothing then your user name Ran J. will redirect to (this) your user talk page directly. I hope (I hope, I hope) that this is what you want. If not, I will undo everything back to the way you had it. :-) (my sig back to blue) hydnjo talk 03:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
We wish you a happy and colorful experience at Wikipedia. (back to basic colors) hydnjo talk 04:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
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