Talk:Randy Weaver
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Who ever wrote this didn't do a very objective job of exposing what a crack pot this guy actually is. The real Randy Weaver is a troubled hillbilly. This article doesnt show what an illogical and irrational goober he is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.206.156.105 (talk • contribs) 13-Sep-2005.
- I also do not think this article is written objectively. The Ruby Ridge section focuses on the Weavers as victims. The full article is more objective, discussing the possibility that the Weavers fired on the federal agents first, and that one of the agents was killed in the battle. --65.167.23.134 22:01, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] bias?
Randy Weaver won a sizeable settlement from the government in a court of law after the incident because of his innocence and their negligence and recklessness. If we want to talk about bias, we should mention that instead of the vague unfounded claims that he was a "crackpot" and "hillbilly." Salty Kid | [[User talk:Salty Kid| talk]]
- Thanks Salty Kid. That needed to be said. --rhmoore 09:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
---bias----
"Eventually, during a family hunting outing on the property, Randy, his son Sam, and a family friend came upon a number of camoflaged federal agents. They shot the family dog. Randy's son, Sam, responding by opening fire with a single action rifle. The federal agents shot Sam in the back. Sam was killed, but Randy and the family friend managed to escape with their lives back into the house".
I see the author failed to mention that they killed an ATF agent in that gunfire exchange.Also Weaver said himself that they "ran" to investigate "the dogs barking, as they do when strangers approach"not on a "family hunting outing"
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.214.160.73 (talk • contribs) 4-Feb-2006.
Yeah, this page most definitely has a pro-weaver tilt. I imagine it's written by someone from Stormfront.org. Unfortunately, I'm only slightly knowledgeable about the man and not qualified to rewrite this entry. User:Unknown 04:43, 2 May 2006 (UTC) *** update: I copied the event summary from the ruby ridge entry - it seemed much more even handed. 69.170.186.34 (talk • contribs)
- Saltykid states that:
- Randy Weaver won a sizeable settlement from the government in a court of law after the incident because of his innocence and their negligence and recklessness.
- That whole statement would be fine except for the word innocence. The court that gave him that judgement did not find him innocent of anything. Rather, they found the FBI guilty of negligence. THis article could use a little POV cleanup here and there.Lisapollison 18:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Categories
An anon added several categories which I removed. He was adding categories elsewhere that didn't belong, and I figured these categories would have been considered here. Given this contect, I removed several. Please look to see if these categories indeed belong. --DanielCD 02:48, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- An anon re-added the same catagories, so I deleted them. I have no problem per se with the catagories that he/she is attempting to add, but I feel if you don't want to log in, and claim your changes, then perhaps they are ill considered. --rhmoore 21:39, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- It's not a matter of whether or not the user is anonymous. All that matters is that the information is reliably sourced. Since justification for the categories wasn't reliably sourced, I also support there removal. Rklawton 22:51, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Zionists
Just for the record, it's entirely possible to be anti-Zionist and have no animosity toward Jews. See Zionism. Indeed, many Jewish people are utterly opposed to Zionism. I don't, however, know Weaver's beliefs. Rklawton 06:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What kind of a way is it to end the article...
It was the NWO who was behind all this? Apart from poor grammar - it should be 'it was the NWO who were behind all these events' - its rubbish also. Unless this is a quote relating to something I am have missed, it would appear to be a reference to the kind of hysterically anti - Government conspiracies that are allegedly happening all the time. Tosh. And its not even accurate - this whole piece is biased against the U.S. Government I feel the neutrality of this article is questionable at best. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Command doh (talk • contribs) 17-Apr-2006.
[edit] Uh...
Did Randy Weaver write this himself? "Great American Lies?" "The government's case was so weak and self-destructive?" This smacks of propaganda. This thing is so biased towards Weaver, and I still don't know why the government marked him for arrest. Somebdy fix it. Fix it now please! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.202.152.86 (talk • contribs) 14-June-2006. __________________________________________________________________________________________
Yes, sheep. Obey your masters. The Founders, who told of GOD-GIVEN rights were obviously wrong. You have only the rights the elite-owned government and bureaucracies allow you to have. Now, wear your chains proudly, little bleating sheep. Your masters will not hurt you if you obey and do as ordered. 68.13.191.153 21:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Big Gap in article
There's something missing from this article. In the After the War section and the 1980s section, it leaps from Weavers return from Viet Nam, marriage and dropping out of college to this unsourced statement:
the couple became convinced that the "Zionist Occupation Government" was about to launch an all-out war against its own citizens
What the hay? How did he go from a dutiful soldier who did his duty to a guy who believed the New World Order was about to send jack-booted thugs to his house?
It would be nice if someone familiar with the Weaver case would fill in the gaps and demonstrate his progression from USA flag-waving Patriot to White Supremacist arms dealer. if anything, descriing his philosophical journey would make him seem less like a nuttter and more like someone who turned to a new political and religious movement for reasons of his own. I hope someone tries to fill in this gap for us. Lisapollison 18:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a distinction between a Supremacist and Separatist, if he is the former then please provide evidence. The information in the article states that he is the latter, a Separatist. I don't know what his personal beliefs entailed, so I'll go with the version stated in the article. --Skallagrimsson 08:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
